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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Attorneys for girls in US sports case must refer to males as transgender females

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CumannNamBan · 11/05/2020 17:07

Judge on the case:

"What I’m saying is you must refer to them as “transgender females” rather than as “males.” Again, that’s the more accurate terminology, and I think that it fully protects your client’s legitimate interests. Referring to these individuals as “transgender females” is consistent with science, common practice and perhaps human decency." 🙄

www.nationalreview.com/news/attorneys-for-connecticut-high-school-runners-ask-judge-to-recuse-after-he-forbids-them-from-describing-trans-athletes-as-male/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Lordfrontpaw · 13/05/2020 17:25

Arf!

R0wantrees · 13/05/2020 17:46

Imagine building a career on loos?

Professor Clara Greed has (this is one of my favourite WPUK speeches)

Professor Clara Greed is Professor of Inclusive Urban Planning at the University of the West of England, Bristol, and a specialist in toilet provision with particular emphasis upon women's needs

A Woman's Place is to be heard Bath, 1st November 2018

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 13/05/2020 18:01

At Versailles, until the arrival of Le Lieu Anglais, reimported to England as 'The Loo,' everyone just peed and pooped on the floor and called a servant to mop it up.

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 13/05/2020 18:08

Roman toilets not segregated.

www.schooltube.com/media/Horrible+HistoriesA++Roman+Toilets/1_dywr0zo1

...But there were separated men's and women's days at the bath-house. Or so they said when I visited the Roman Baths in Bath.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/05/2020 18:12

When I have those anxiety dreams... you know the ones when you are sitting on the loo and everyone can see?

Goosefoot · 13/05/2020 19:20

When I have those anxiety dreams... you know the ones when you are sitting on the loo and everyone can see?

Oh, Gosh, yes. I have a regular one where I am searching for a toilet and finally I find one and sit down, only to realise I am in the middle of a construction site or the kitchen of a pub or someplace like that.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/05/2020 19:24

😂 oh yes! Then you go to America and find that the bloody loos have flippin’ saloon doors with huge gaps on the sides!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/05/2020 15:07

Or you find a loo, and the cubicle is too narrow to get into, or it is full and flooding, or the loo seat is tiny and all the wrong shape. I am very good at anxiety dreams and going to the loo anxiety dreams.

Winesalot · 14/05/2020 15:29

A good leap in the work to prove that males having gone through male puberty do not lose enough of their male biology to compete fairly with women has been released yesterday by Drs Emma Hilton and Tommy Lundberg. Well worth a read. I believe that it will be sent to the IOC which may hopefully 'encourage' more longitudinal studies to be done and any out there already to be peer reviewed.

Essentially, even with testosterone lowered to 5mg instead of 10 mg, there is little evidence to say this counters advantage in any significant way.

twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1260511346199797760?s=20

Of course, this study isn't entirely relevant to this Connecticut case as these males have had no medical intervention at all.

Goosefoot · 14/05/2020 18:36

Then you go to America and find that the bloody loos have flippin’ saloon doors with huge gaps on the sides

I' grew up with that so it seems normal to me - but when I visited the UK a few years ago, I found the toilet cubicles made me very claustrophobic. Some things are more about what you are used to I guess.

Lamahaha · 16/05/2020 19:42

Fantastic article in Newsweek!
As NW is a major American magazine, and since America is so very woke -- I would say this is a dazzling ray of sunlight.

www.newsweek.com/who-has-right-called-girl-opinion-1503836

To test this argument, imagine another case—one in which a defendant is charged with having impersonated a police officer. Imagine the judge in such a case instructed the prosecution to refer to the defendant as "Officer O'Malley," out of courtesy, merely because that's what the defendant claimed he was. The entire issue in dispute is whether the defendant was impersonating an officer—or whether he really was one and entitled to be treated as such. It isn't hard to see why such judicial instruction would prejudicially determine the legal outcome.

...Judge Chatigny informed the litigants: "This isn't a case involving males who have decided that they want to run in girls' events. This is a case about girls who say that transgender girls should not be allowed in girls' events."

In Judge Chatigny's view, in other words, this is a case about one kind of girl excluding another kind of girl. That is a wildly prejudicial admission: Even before expert testimony is heard, Judge Chatigny has already determined that these biological boys are some type of girl. And despite the pleadings, Judge Chatigny has decided this is not even really a case about impermissible sex discrimination. It's a case about those who would exclude from their club the "wrong" kind of girl.

Lamahaha · 16/05/2020 19:50

The comments, too, are mostly supportive of the article.

Lamahaha · 19/05/2020 07:14

Posted this four days ago but good to repost as it sunk quite quickly.

Apollo440 · 19/05/2020 12:53

Whilst the comments on the Newsweek article are generally supportive I am genuinely gobsmacked by the number of people who believe the bullshit gender science proving the basis for transwomen and at least 7 sexes (I kid you not).

lionheart · 19/05/2020 13:59

Sorry Lamahaha--I did look but couldn't find it.

But yes it is worth reading and heartening that this is a US context.

Durgasarrow · 19/05/2020 15:07

So pleasing

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