Guardian interview with Juno Dawson

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The Guardian is once more peddling male fantasies of what a teenage girl is:

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/11/juno-dawson-trans-alice-wonderland-interview-spice-girls

Dawson has written a novel based on Alice in Wonderland, but with a trans lead character:

'Wonderland is also a wake-up call to anyone who believes gender reassignment might be a happy-ever-after. Alice has recently returned to school after three months in hospital following a suicide attempt. “While I’m delighted with my perky little boobs,” she says, “I was profoundly disappointed that my urge to cut myself didn’t vanish with the first milligram of oestrogen to pass my lips.” Her problems, Dawson points out, are those of all too many young women. “When I’m at the Hay book festival or at Yale, these teenagers come into my signing queues and they are scarred. It must be talked about because it permanently affects girls.”'

Yes, teenage girls are really delighted with their perky little boobs, you misogynist little creep.

Which leads on the flow up question why are so many women and girls so desperate for the approval of someone who clearly hates them so bloody much.

It's really sad. What does it say about their self esteem? Who wants to be constantly walking on eggshells?

Especially when they reach the limits of what they are prepared to do, they will be rejected and hated as much as the rest of us. Only difference is we didn't alienate all our friends and family in the process.

Of course we will be there to pick up the pieces. We always are. Just wish we could make them see that they arent being momd and tolerant. They are being self destructive and hurting themselves

narcissistic injury I love that! It’s a perfect description.

Which leads on the flow up question why are so many women and girls so desperate for the approval of someone who clearly hates them so bloody much.

Most women won’t acknowledge the fact that so many men actually hate women, because it’s too horrifying and fearful to think about. Instead they hang onto their female socialisation. Think of how many times little girls are told to ‘be nice/kind.’, taught to put makes first because little boys will just do what they want and the attitude is ‘boys will be boys’ whereas girls are expected to move over and sacrifice. They don’t want to be seem as ‘wrong or cruel’. It all boils down to demand socialisation and fear.

taught to put ‘males’ first...

It all boils down to ‘female’ socialisation...

Sorry.

If one thing should make them stop and think it should be children

Yet many many women on MN are even prepared to sacrifice their childs safety and well being and dignity to prove they are the ultimate kind being we should aspire to be.

Evolutionary instincts of laying down our lives to protect our children. Gone.

All for people who hate us with every cell of their body.

Stylist 2019
'6 of the biggest (and most hurtful) myths about dating trans women with Juno Dawson'
Posted byMegan Murray
(extract)
"The number of transgender hate crimes recorded by police increased 81% in 2017-2018, it was reported earlier this year. There is a general ignorance around what it means to be transgender and here at Stylist we want to do our best to support people and give voices a platform to talk about the issues they face.

That’s why we reached out to Juno Dawson, transgender woman and young adult author, to highlight some of the myths and misconceptions that trans people come up against when dating.

“Too often in the media people write about trans people, but they don’t talk to trans people so I think there are a lot of misconceptions out there,” Dawson explains.

Myth 1. Dating a trans woman changes your sexuality
“Trans women are women, trans men are men. So if you are a straight man who fancies women there’s a possibility you might fancy me and I don’t think that makes you gay.”

Myth 2. You transitioned to trick straight men into sex
“I think we’ve got to stop with this myth that a whole minority group of women are evil, liars and deceptive. It’s just transphobic. In some parts of the world men have even got off murder charges claiming that they’d been tricked into dating trans women. (continues)

www.stylist.co.uk/people/juno-dawson-dating-as-a-trans-woman-myths/291297

Embedded video with Dawson explaining the rules is disconcerting due to Dawson's age

My experience of being a teenage girl, like several pps, was one of hating the constant sexual harassment and pressure, and being afraid of the adult men who felt free to flirt with me, or comment on my body in the street. At 17 I had only recently started my periods, I was still growing, and I was not at all ready for an adult sexual relationship.
I agree it is deeply creepy that a middle aged male is writing about teenage girls in this way. It really makes me feel slightly sick. There are a number of trans males who fetishise teenage girlhood. “Girls like us” etc.
As a mother of actual teenage girls, I find it repellent and disturbing.

Slightly off topic, but any suggestions for non-pornified, wonderful novels for dds 15, and just 13 ? Especially for the 15 year old ?

At 17 I had only recently started my periods, I was still growing, and I was not at all ready for an adult sexual relationship

Wow! That's very late (not meaning offense) . Is that average now? For me it was 11 for my first period, that's a big variation.

I think the average age is alot younger now.

Theories being the rise in childhood obesity . Some think its hormones etc in food.

I was 16.

Me neither Demelza.

I wonder if it will keep getting younger and how young it could possibly go? Does starting your periods earlier mean you will have a menopause earlier as you start releasing your set number of eggs earlier? Not a science person. Thinking about it, even when I was at school there were those who had started by Year 6, and I guess it could be younger than that even now.

@R0wantrees Oh cripes, that video, those facial expressions, the smugness. The embellishments too. 😕

Demelza!? Sorry, think I had a username in my head from another thread.

The smugness gets me from the video too.

I also started later, was nearly 16.

Myth 2. You transitioned to trick straight men into sex
“I think we’ve got to stop with this myth that a whole minority group of women are evil, liars and deceptive.

I know plenty of people have drunk the Kool-Aid, but surely there is no one who can read that sentence and not see the cringing manipulation.

Also, what on earth does Dawson mean by straight man? It's very unclear. Is that a person with a vagina who is attracted to someone else with a vagina? I can't remember if, for instance, Freddie McConnell is a gay or straight man, now.

Who is Dawson referring to?

I think any 38 year old writing in that way about teenage girls is creepy as fuck, but especially one who 'was male' until their 30s (hope I have worded that appropriately!)

But apparently it's OK because... Trans innit.

I don't believe anyone transitions solely to "trick straight men into sex". Because it's not a option open to any but a tiny percentage of MTFs. So that's a straw person of indeterminate gender.

I don't believe anyone transitions solely to "trick straight men into sex". Because it's not a option open to any but a tiny percentage of MTFs. So that's a straw person of indeterminate gender

Tricking aside , whatever did happen with SWs desire to remove the sex by deception clause?

It has seemed important to some males who identify as trans to make public assurances that their male partners are not gay.

It seems to matter a great deal to the male partners to deny that their relationship is homosexual.

I think perhaps there's always been girls more comfortable with their bodies than others. Some feel bad they are developing and want to hide it, some embrace it as being "more womanly/older/mature/attractive". Some are overly sexualised through the media they consume. I don't think there's a blanket way that teens deal with the male gaze.

Yes, I had a friend in middle school who was extremely curvy, and she took the over-sexualised approach at quite a young age. I suspect part of that was related to some things going on at her home. It didn't turn out that well for her. I went for the grunge look which was very popular at the time. But there were also girls who generally felt more positive about becoming more adult in appearance.

I am not totally comfortable with this idea that men can't ever write authentic women characters. People who are empathetic and intelligent and and observant and good writers often can write someone who has had a set of experiences quite different from their own and it's very recognisable. The switch to the idea that you can only write about someone like yourself hasn't produced much great literature IMO.

The problem isn't that he's a man writing about teen girls, it's that he's shit writing about teen girls.

Nimawyn i was 16, as was my mother. My sibling and I both hit puberty late and had our growth spurt at 16/17. I stopped growing at 19. My friends dd was 9, so there is a big variation. I have read that 15/16/17 used to be far more common, but we now have a higher calorie diet, so girls on average hit puberty earlier than a century ago.

The one girl I know who was overtly sexual at 16, was being raped by her father all through her teens. I think many girls who are highly sexual early, have experienced either abuse or have been given the impression that their worth lies in how attractive they are to males.

I don't think there's a single paragraph that isn't vomit inducing. Dear god. No matter how often you're exposed to the reality that this is what some transwomen think being a woman is it never loses its ability to nauseate.