Guardian interview with Juno Dawson

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The Guardian is once more peddling male fantasies of what a teenage girl is:

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/11/juno-dawson-trans-alice-wonderland-interview-spice-girls

Dawson has written a novel based on Alice in Wonderland, but with a trans lead character:

'Wonderland is also a wake-up call to anyone who believes gender reassignment might be a happy-ever-after. Alice has recently returned to school after three months in hospital following a suicide attempt. “While I’m delighted with my perky little boobs,” she says, “I was profoundly disappointed that my urge to cut myself didn’t vanish with the first milligram of oestrogen to pass my lips.” Her problems, Dawson points out, are those of all too many young women. “When I’m at the Hay book festival or at Yale, these teenagers come into my signing queues and they are scarred. It must be talked about because it permanently affects girls.”'

Yes, teenage girls are really delighted with their perky little boobs, you misogynist little creep.

(Has no idea what the g word could be. The p words I know we're forbidden to mention.)

If you own a dog beauty parlour you are one of these, kittens

Ah!

I was going to say ‘gonads’, but I now understand what it is we’re not allowed to talk about

I thought we couldn't say A words, G words and P words?

He's there been a memo?

Has

Has there been a memo?

The response I got from MNHQ when I asked why my post had been deleted was that it was assumed that I was using the g word about a particular individual. I thought it was completely clear I was talking about a group of men in Rotherham and others like them.

It seems that use of that word on this thread will always be assumed to be referring to a specific individual.

It's very difficult to explain what's going on here without using that particular word or being too explicit about why the posts are being deleted. This makes it difficult for other people to comment without risking deletion because they don't know what the posts said or why they were deleted.

Obviously some people outside of MN have an interest in making it difficult for us to discuss this topic.

Sucks for them that we're going to do it anyway, eh?

I can affirm that Forever is still very much borrowed in school libraries.
I so agree with pps about looking back on adolescence with more maturity, and seeing some events quite differently. Most people grow out of the feverish obsessions of adolescence, and this is an important part of growing up - there seems to be a bit of a lack of this in some vocal groups of people.

Do publishers not have any safeguarding guidelines for their YA authors? The genre age group is 12-18

Would the school librarians & teachers promoting these books feel comfortable standing up in assembly advocating that as a lifestyle choice?

Sooooo creepy I can barely look at them.

Seriously, I didn't use the g word, I don't think.

I can't remember what I said.

It's grim that women are not being allowed to properly discuss the issues around this without having to tread on eggshells language-wise, on a mother's site.

OMG that PL article.

Really personally attacking a woman for putting across her POV in what sounds like a pretty funny article. The 'best bits' are so so weird. Sure some women enjoy unusual stuff but the majority do not love having sex with random men they find sexually unattractive, or sex with a line of men at parties. We're also not all in love with semen. Het porn has loads of come everywhere because it's made for men.

I wonder how many women would read that and think, yep that's all 100 % true. Totally not a manky feeling to have come dribbling out, nonono! I love having multiple men wanking over me :/

But women who don't agree are prudes.

Remember this person also wrote a piece about how they loved Street harassment, and women and girls who didn't like it and tried to change the prevalence or even talk about it, were dried up prunes who were spoiling the fun for Paris.

Do they have any idea how far off the mark they are? How do they think they possibly have the right to say I'm a woman I like this, if you don't like it you're a .

That's really pissed off. It's pathetic.

Get your kicks however you want but don't tell 50% of the population that if they don't like the same then there's something wrong with them.

Juno on the teenager taking the CPS to court:

"Ok a lawyer costs like £500 PER HOUR. Just who is funding this entirely unassuming 14 YEAR-OLD?

Ah yes, anti-trans organisations with the full back of fundamentalist church groups ✌🏼 "

twitter.com/junodawson/status/1261679642219511811?s=19

Having been a teenage girl myself... I feel a bit sick at pornified fantasy projections of ‘teenage girls’ being lauded so uncritically in the media and by publishers and schools and sold back to teenage girls.
Teenagers look to culture to understand their place in the world. Representation matters to everyone for healthy self-image, we’ve all agreed, doesn’t it? Yet this stuff is what is being sold back to young girls and women?

That rule of misogyny springs to mind: ‘women are whatever men say they are’.

Harassing a 14 year old girl for asserting her rights, that's a good look...

Always interesting to see what posts and posters get targeted for deletion. It tells us so much.

Posted too soon

It tells us so much about those who don't like women talking amongst themselves about issues that matter to them and highlights to us what we need to look at closer

Harassing a 14 year old girl for asserting her rights, that's a good look...

Isn't it just.

Yep. These are the same people who are up in arms about Greta Thunberg's campaigning being criticised.

It's OK to criticise girls who challenge their world view, but not those who don't.

So tiresomely predictable

I wonder how many women would read that and think, yep that's all 100 % true. Totally not a manky feeling to have come dribbling out, nonono! I love having multiple men wanking over me :/

I happen to have a very frank group of friends, and can't think of a single woman I know who shares Paris's sexual interests. So, dunno who Paris thinks Paris is speaking for, but it definitely isn't most women.

It is pitifully sad reading about the damaged and promiscuous girls who some of us knew, victims of sexual abuse.
The girl I mentioned who was raped by her father all through her teens, committed suicide in her early thirties, leaving a baby and a toddler.
That is the damage done to girls.

Sirvix it really is terribly sad. My friend also left two children when she died of drugs and alcohol addiction, a direct result of the abuse she suffered. I think about her often.

How sad so many of us had a school friend that now we are adults we realise they were redacted prohibited G word and abused

I had a school friend whose mother bought expensive lingerie for her to wear on a weekend away with her much older boyfriend. The man was in his late 20s, my friend was 15. I moved away after GCSEs and often wonder how her life turned out. She often seemed like there was more going on that she wasn’t talking about.