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Guardian interview with Juno Dawson

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RoyalCorgi · 11/05/2020 09:56

The Guardian is once more peddling male fantasies of what a teenage girl is:

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/11/juno-dawson-trans-alice-wonderland-interview-spice-girls

Dawson has written a novel based on Alice in Wonderland, but with a trans lead character:

'Wonderland is also a wake-up call to anyone who believes gender reassignment might be a happy-ever-after. Alice has recently returned to school after three months in hospital following a suicide attempt. “While I’m delighted with my perky little boobs,” she says, “I was profoundly disappointed that my urge to cut myself didn’t vanish with the first milligram of oestrogen to pass my lips.” Her problems, Dawson points out, are those of all too many young women. “When I’m at the Hay book festival or at Yale, these teenagers come into my signing queues and they are scarred. It must be talked about because it permanently affects girls.”'

Yes, teenage girls are really delighted with their perky little boobs, you misogynist little creep.

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DickKerrLadies · 31/05/2020 13:54

@SheSheHe

Juno Dawson wins YA book of 2020 for Meat Market and has her 3-book series (inc. Meat Market, Clean and Wonderland) optioned by film company. Seems like they’re on to a winning formula.

The next J.K.Rowling, I'm sure.
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DickKerrLadies · 31/05/2020 13:53

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

"I just wanted to see if you were OK with people who I don't like giving you money."

Quote of the day Grin
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SoldiersinPetticoats · 29/05/2020 12:51

Thanks for letting us know, Juno Grin

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Shedbuilder · 29/05/2020 12:16

Depressing, but with a bit of luck by the time they are able to get around to them (thank you, Covid-19) the tide will have turned. I think more and more adults are becoming more and more uncomfortable with what they're seeing. And if they do make it into a film it'll give some of us uppity women the chance to go and demonstrate outside cinemas and spread the GC word further.

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SheSheHe · 29/05/2020 12:02

Juno Dawson wins YA book of 2020 for Meat Market and has her 3-book series (inc. Meat Market, Clean and Wonderland) optioned by film company. Seems like they’re on to a winning formula.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 25/05/2020 21:02

"I just wanted to see if you were OK with people who I don't like giving you money."

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SunsetBeetch · 25/05/2020 18:22

Awww, we're being told on. (It's not Graham Linehan, it's a fake account).

"@LoveNewchic Hey New Chic, I just wanted to see if you where ok with your ads being shown alongside a horrible transphobic thread on @MumsnetTowers ? Not a good look for your brand being shown next to comments calling trans people child abusers."

twitter.com/glinermm/status/1262418490612465666?s=19

Guardian interview with Juno Dawson
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BettyFilous · 17/05/2020 22:15

We (her peers) did not aspire to her situation, lest any of the monitors are reading. 👋🏻 We thought it was grim and judged her mother.

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BettyFilous · 17/05/2020 22:13

I had a school friend whose mother bought expensive lingerie for her to wear on a weekend away with her much older boyfriend. The man was in his late 20s, my friend was 15. I moved away after GCSEs and often wonder how her life turned out. She often seemed like there was more going on that she wasn’t talking about.

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NotAGirl · 17/05/2020 22:07

How sad so many of us had a school friend that now we are adults we realise they were redacted prohibited G word and abused

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TheCuriousMonkey · 17/05/2020 21:51

Sirvix it really is terribly sad. My friend also left two children when she died of drugs and alcohol addiction, a direct result of the abuse she suffered. I think about her often.

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SirVixofVixHall · 17/05/2020 19:49

It is pitifully sad reading about the damaged and promiscuous girls who some of us knew, victims of sexual abuse.
The girl I mentioned who was raped by her father all through her teens, committed suicide in her early thirties, leaving a baby and a toddler.
That is the damage done to girls.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/05/2020 14:08

I wonder how many women would read that and think, yep that's all 100 % true. Totally not a manky feeling to have come dribbling out, nonono! I love having multiple men wanking over me :/

I happen to have a very frank group of friends, and can't think of a single woman I know who shares Paris's sexual interests. So, dunno who Paris thinks Paris is speaking for, but it definitely isn't most women.

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ScreamingBeans · 17/05/2020 13:58

Yep. These are the same people who are up in arms about Greta Thunberg's campaigning being criticised.

It's OK to criticise girls who challenge their world view, but not those who don't.

So tiresomely predictable

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/05/2020 21:36

Harassing a 14 year old girl for asserting her rights, that's a good look...

Isn't it just.

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NotAGirl · 16/05/2020 21:28

Posted too soon

It tells us so much about those who don't like women talking amongst themselves about issues that matter to them and highlights to us what we need to look at closer

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NotAGirl · 16/05/2020 21:25

Always interesting to see what posts and posters get targeted for deletion. It tells us so much.

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NotAGirl · 16/05/2020 21:23

Harassing a 14 year old girl for asserting her rights, that's a good look...

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ChattyLion · 16/05/2020 21:23

Having been a teenage girl myself... I feel a bit sick at pornified fantasy projections of ‘teenage girls’ being lauded so uncritically in the media and by publishers and schools and sold back to teenage girls.
Teenagers look to culture to understand their place in the world. Representation matters to everyone for healthy self-image, we’ve all agreed, doesn’t it? Yet this stuff is what is being sold back to young girls and women? Hmm

That rule of misogyny springs to mind: ‘women are whatever men say they are’.

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SunsetBeetch · 16/05/2020 21:15

Juno on the teenager taking the CPS to court:

"Ok a lawyer costs like £500 PER HOUR. Just who is funding this entirely unassuming 14 YEAR-OLD?

Ah yes, anti-trans organisations with the full back of fundamentalist church groups ✌🏼 "

twitter.com/junodawson/status/1261679642219511811?s=19

Guardian interview with Juno Dawson
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BeetrootRocks · 16/05/2020 19:53

OMG that PL article.

Really personally attacking a woman for putting across her POV in what sounds like a pretty funny article. The 'best bits' are so so weird. Sure some women enjoy unusual stuff but the majority do not love having sex with random men they find sexually unattractive, or sex with a line of men at parties. We're also not all in love with semen. Het porn has loads of come everywhere because it's made for men.

I wonder how many women would read that and think, yep that's all 100 % true. Totally not a manky feeling to have come dribbling out, nonono! I love having multiple men wanking over me :/

But women who don't agree are prudes.

Remember this person also wrote a piece about how they loved Street harassment, and women and girls who didn't like it and tried to change the prevalence or even talk about it, were dried up prunes who were spoiling the fun for Paris.

Do they have any idea how far off the mark they are? How do they think they possibly have the right to say I'm a woman I like this, if you don't like it you're a .

That's really pissed off. It's pathetic.

Get your kicks however you want but don't tell 50% of the population that if they don't like the same then there's something wrong with them.

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ScreamingBeans · 16/05/2020 17:31

Seriously, I didn't use the g word, I don't think.

I can't remember what I said.

It's grim that women are not being allowed to properly discuss the issues around this without having to tread on eggshells language-wise, on a mother's site.

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RuffleCrow · 16/05/2020 15:12

Sooooo creepy I can barely look at them.

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NotAGirl · 16/05/2020 15:10

Do publishers not have any safeguarding guidelines for their YA authors? The genre age group is 12-18

Would the school librarians & teachers promoting these books feel comfortable standing up in assembly advocating that as a lifestyle choice?

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AsTreesWalking · 16/05/2020 14:22

I can affirm that Forever is still very much borrowed in school libraries.
I so agree with pps about looking back on adolescence with more maturity, and seeing some events quite differently. Most people grow out of the feverish obsessions of adolescence, and this is an important part of growing up - there seems to be a bit of a lack of this in some vocal groups of people.

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