Men and coronavirus

[QuentinWinters]

Young men more likely to break lockdown
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52587368

Men in all age groups more likely to be severely impacted and die.

Maybe it is time for male specific restrictions?

I would be very circumspect about data from people who have been messing about with their entire health by taking cross-sex hormones in the doses that trans people do.

With the erections thing I was pointing out that I think it would be unlikely that personal questions like that would be asked of men, but using info about reproductive things for women is run of the mill.

Sorry for the confusion, I thought you were under the impression that it would provide useful information.

I would be very circumspect about data from people who have been messing about with their entire health by taking cross-sex hormones in the doses that trans people do.

Well, only three million people have taken part so numbers of trans people might well be insignificant.

Of course, there's no proof that anyone completing it is telling the truth on any of their answers anyway.

With the erections thing I was pointing out that I think it would be unlikely that personal questions like that would be asked of men, but using info about reproductive things for women is run of the mill

It isn't asking about reproductive health.

I was pointing out that I doubt men would be asked to provide such intimate info via an app, while for women it's standard that we get asked this stuff

The reasons for asking have been explained several times but carry on making this into some sort of women are being oppressed issue if it makes you happy.

Obese men are high risk from Corona mortality and also can have elevated oestrogen levels

The difference is every individual woman and any person taking hormones for transitioning knows as a 100% fact whether they are having periods or taking hormones.

An obese man has no way of testing his oestrogen levels. The app asks for sex, weight and height.

Obesity in men is always pathological.
It is less so for women, as demonstrated by the fact that a well nourished female continues to menstruate and can get pregnant.
Unlike anorexic conditions that result in amenorrhoea.

It is less so for women, as demonstrated by the fact that a well nourished female continues to menstruate and can get pregnant.

Obese women often can't get pregnant.

Not quite sure what you mean by

Obesity in men is always pathological

Oestrogen promotes body fat retention in females for reproductive success. There is an optimal window of plumpness that is beneficial for reproduction. This is obviously not the case in the morbidly obese.

Male hormonal status maintains a lean muscular profile due to testosterone.
Obesity in men is not a healthy state in the same way it protects women.

Obesity isn't a healthy state in anyone - male or female.

Less so for females.

That's rubbish. Being obese is not healthy. The difference is that women are protected from coronary heart disease by oestrogen but increased risk of cancer, type two diabetes, joint problems - that all still exists. There's some utter cobblers spouted on this board at times.

Obesity is less of an issue for females than it is for males.

Women normally have more fat than men. I'm not sure I'd translate that to fat women are less unhealthy than fat men.

Women have successful pregnancies having put on weight in varying degrees. They are healthy and their babies are healthy.
When women lose too much body fat they can temporarily lose their reproductive ability. It is a protective strategy in stress/famine conditions.

Obese women can have real problems with pregnancy. It's a risk factor. It probably accounts for part of the poor maternal stats in North America.

And many fat men father children with no problem. Heck, look at Marlon Brando.

Technically, obesity is less dangerous for women than men but it would be a misrepresentation to describe it as 'healthy' or 'protective'; it still kills.

dx.doi.org/10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0066550

In the same way, women are more adversely affected by smoking but that doesn't mean it's fine for a man to smoke.

In surveys you sometimes put the answer you are most interested in near the top

Only if you want to skew the results in your favour.
That's spectularly bad research method, and everyone who does surverys market research understands this.

Working age men twice as likely to die as working age women
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52889106

Maybe dads should be encouraged to furlough for childcare reasons to protect their health as well?

Women are conditioned to be fearful their entire lives

Or rather

Women are conditioned to look after everyone else, to take responsibility for everyone else's health & well-being, to keep things clean, to care for the ill & elderly ...

Men are conditioned to think the world revolves around them.

Maybe dads should be encouraged to furlough for childcare reasons to protect their health as well?

You don't get to choose if you're furloughed, your employer does.
I doubt any employer is going to furlough their staff based on their childcare needs.

Staff can ask to be furloughed because of childcare. Employees don't have to agree but they can be asked.

Employers sorry

I doubt any employer is going to furlough their staff based on their childcare needs.
What are you thinking employers are going to do with staff with childcare needs? Theres a lot out there as schools and nurseries are closed.

Anyway, my point is, maybe men should stay home with children as it would also reduce the risks to them and the burden on the nhs

*In surveys you sometimes put the answer you are most interested in near the top as some people don't read the whole list
Or it reveals what the researcher has on their mind

The fact that answer is first on the list is a little odd...*

What a load of rubbish!!!! . Answers on a survey that is collected electronically are often randomised to allow for the fact that people often stop reading if the list is too long or for the fact that some people might select the first answer due to interview fatigue etc . Sometimes even the questions themselves are randomised so that not everyone answers them in the same order.

I worked in market research (not medical research admittedly) for over 30 years and never once had an answer that 'I was more interested in than another. I often had questions that I was more interested in than others but never which answer was given. One of the most important aspects of designing a questionnaire is exclude as many sources of bias as I can and to design questionnaire in the way you are suggesting would be totally unethical and completely pointless.

The whole point of research is find out what is happening not to confirm your own preconceived opinions. You obviously have hypotheses that you want to test but your focus is on testing that hypothesis fairly and with as little bias as is possible.

Anyway, my point is, maybe men should stay home with children as it would also reduce the risks to them and the burden on the nhs

Maybe they should have. It's too late now, though, restrictions are lifting and people are going back to work.