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Baroness Nicholson on twitter

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Winesalot · 01/05/2020 23:27

I have been lurking on twitter lately and noticed Baroness Nicholson has been very active recently. Amongst her tweets are quite a few gems - letters to Liz Truss, tweets asking for evidence about Stonewall’s involvement CPS guidance just to name two.

This tweet I found very encouraging too.

It is imperative to restore the rights of women.I foresee a single issue, cluster approach;we make a new Women’s Rights movement lasting one year,solely to rescue womanhood from its destruction through today’s legal and social denial of our existence.Emma,BNoW

She has today written to Liz Truss again but this time with her concerns about the gross misinterpretation of the ECHR in the trans toolkits used in schools and recommends that such toolkits are removed from use now. Such support is great news.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1256326753850556418?s=21

I will try to post the letter for those not on twitter.

I look forward to seeing what what happens next.

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MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 20/05/2020 18:15

The 'Tory Baroness' left the Conservative Party in 1995.

MrsSnippyPants · 20/05/2020 18:18

You and your pesky facts Mockers Grin

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 20/05/2020 18:21

What's a quarter of a century in the great scheme of things?

hellandhairnets · 20/05/2020 18:26

The TRAs are trying to instigate a pile-on to attack the Baroness, as well as accounts that support her.

It's almost as if something in particular in that quoted tweet triggered them. Funny, couldn't be the revealing of the truth, could it? Some top DARVO there, though, including the "him".

The Baroness has been rocking it. Very grateful to her (unlike most of the Labour party who I'm supposed to support).

happydappy2 · 20/05/2020 18:29

She is awesome, some TRA msgd her on Twitter asking ‘where are TW meant to piss?’ She, cool as a cucumber replied, pls tell me what yr job is? She takes no shit & I am very impressed!

BringbackLang · 20/05/2020 20:05

She's also taking not taking any nonsense from Haddock. She's seen right through him and his pomposity. He's throwing a tantrum, it's a joy to see.

AllCatsAreBeautiful · 20/05/2020 20:45

She was doing really grim victim-blaming just a few months ago (twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1182548973690740738?s=21). I am surprised you’re all this keen on her.

Dreeple · 20/05/2020 21:06

AllCatsAreBeautiful

What your link leads to is not coherent.

hellandhairnets · 20/05/2020 22:20

Seems pretty clear to me, tbf (hadn't seen it previously)- she was doing the "Why doesn't she just leave?" re: domestic violence. So clearly not someone who understands that or its dynamics at all, and certainly didn't when she made that comment.

However, in the current particular matter of the TRAs and child safeguarding in the context , Baroness Nicholson has been pretty good, taking action (I suspect in disbelief that it has got this far) and asking the right questions. I took this as a positive sign that things are moving, getting sunlight and politicians previously unaware are starting to pick up on it which can only be good.. Are we permitted to simultaneously know the first comment is completely ill-informed but someone speaking up now on this matter is a good thing? Personally,. I'd like as many politicians of all persuasions and in both Houses to start picking up on what's going on, asking those difficult questions and being as vocal as possible about it, frankly. She's not the only one but is still one of relatively few who is addressing it. It's all about the sunlight. These things NEED to be discussed openly by as many people as possible to turn the tide.

Dreeple · 20/05/2020 22:25

Ok I couldn’t see what she was replying to.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/05/2020 22:33

Are we permitted to simultaneously know the first comment is completely ill-informed but someone speaking up now on this matter is a good thing?

This^ It's not really reasonable to expect anyone to be an expert in everything.

Aesopfable · 20/05/2020 23:10

I am surprised you’re all this keen on her

I don’t know her. I have never met her. I don’t have any opinions on her personally or her work to date. However, on transgender matters I am very pleased she is writing letters and asking questions. Why shouldn’t I be? We don’t have to like someone or expect them to be faultless to appreciate them raising questions.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/05/2020 23:30

Moving from “Maybe we can stop self-ID” to “Repeal the GRA“ is huge.

It is, and it's also what needs to be done. Speaking of which!

For anyone sneering at Tory peers, or MPs, actually grasping the nettle while left wing twats navel gaze & worry about how it'll look to their fellow navel gazing lefties, feck off with your purity politics. Progress is currently being made by teenage girls & tories while the left wrangle how to maintain purity & standing amongst the worst misogynistic abusive activists.

Indeed. I refuse to get into the wrangling on Twitter, but it's a massive waste of the time of everyone involved to be infighting while actual movement is beginning to happen. Is this really the time, fellow lefties? Really? We don't all have to be mates, you don't have to like the Baroness to the point where you'd want to go on holiday together, but we should still be able to work together to get things done.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/05/2020 23:34

The TRAs are trying to instigate a pile-on to attack the Baroness

They do realize that she's a grown-up, right? People in that age range have an entirely different approach to social media than teens and twentiesomethings with furry icons do and it's really showing right now.

Aesopfable · 21/05/2020 00:40

I get the impression that Instigating a pile-on is about the worst thing they could do at the moment in terms of stopping her asking questions.

boatyardblues · 21/05/2020 00:41

Not that it will stop them. 🤦‍♀️

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 21/05/2020 00:42

They're trying to cancel a member of the House of Lords. It's hilarious.

Lamahaha · 21/05/2020 06:40

They do realize that she's a grown-up, right? People in that age range have an entirely different approach to social media than teens and twentiesomethings with furry icons do and it's really showing right now.

This. It seems to me that they are so used to adults collapsing the moment they start throwing their toys out of the pram that they think that tactic is actual the way things get done in the real world.

Screaming transphobe! and Bogot! on Twitter is water off a duck's back to an actual grown up.

I'm another one who never heard of her before this -- I'm not a British citizen and I don't even live in the UK any more. I have no idea what her history is. But I love that she has walked into the room and saying what she's saying, and that she has actual clout.

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Winesalot · 21/05/2020 07:39

I think that she perhaps isn’t as nuanced in twitter etiquette as she is in the ways of international politics. And sometimes her answers leave people wondering. The mother of the 11 year old transgirl yesterday who was taking the heartstring route was very offended that the Baroness dared imply that she would feel uncomfortable being in a vulnerable position with the future grown up version and that it seems too easy (for want of a better word) to transition for instance. (Or that’s the way I ready it) The mother accused the Baroness of calling her 11 year a predator.

The TR As are not really looking at her background. As she sometimes points out, she has been working for children’s rights since the 1980s when she was with Save The Children. She has been shaping women’s and children’s rights at the European court level for decades now in various areas of Human Rights.

It doesn’t help when in an attempt to marginalise her voice they use her first name instead of just sticking to twitter protocol of using usernames (albeit the might do it to save characters) She doesn’t seem to care, but it lends to confusion when there is more than one Emma in the conversation.

Yes, she is someone who has made missteps as has ALL of us. Should we discredit every person who is willing to stand up and use their voice for each misstep. From what I have read, that will significantly reduce most of the prominent voices fighting for women’s rights.

She does however strike me as someone who would apologize quickly and try to understand where you are coming from if she does. And she has seemed lately to try quickly to reconcile, to move forward with unity.

So yes, I am keen to work with someone like this. She is working within the parliament where changes need to happen and she seems more approachable to me than academics and writers who seem much less so.

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Aesopfable · 21/05/2020 08:09

Should we discredit every person who is willing to stand up and use their voice for each misstep. From what I have read, that will significantly reduce most of the prominent voices fighting for women’s rights

That is why people try to discredit those who stand up.

Aesopfable · 21/05/2020 08:11

I am glad she pointed out 11 year olds grow up and don’t remain cute, relatively harmless kids for ever.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/05/2020 08:19

It's rather hypocritical of TRAs to work on the basis of discrediting any woman who isn't quite perfect. That does, after all, remove most or all of them from the playing field.

And I am not going to sugarcoat this: women's spaces are for women and girls. The wants of males in regard to them, including 11 year old ones, are irrelevant. Frankly, those 11 year old males need to be taught that the needs of 11 year old girls are not only as/more important as their wants but all that matter when it comes to spaces specifically for them and other women and girls. Why are some parents unable to say no to their children?

teawamutu · 21/05/2020 08:22

it's a massive waste of the time of everyone involved to be infighting while actual movement is beginning to happen. Is this really the time, fellow lefties? Really? We don't all have to be mates, you don't have to like the Baroness to the point where you'd want to go on holiday together, but we should still be able to work together to get things done.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS

We're actually bloody getting somewhere, after years of no hope and being fucked over by pious lefty twats posing as The Goodies. We need all the voices, all the grown ups in the room.

Purity politics helped create this mess, sensible pragmatism might just be what gets us out of it.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 21/05/2020 08:23

The TR As are not really looking at her background. As she sometimes points out, she has been working for children’s rights since the 1980s when she was with Save The Children. She has been shaping women’s and children’s rights at the European court level for decades now in various areas of Human Rights.

It's Ash Sarkar and what has Julie Bindel done for prisoners anyway again. If it hasn't happened on Twitter and within the last 6 months it didn't happen at all, and anyone trying to gently tell them otherwise is a nasty rude bigot.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 21/05/2020 08:25

RE the 11 year old, of course none of us as grown women are scared of them now, because they are a child and we are adults. Not only may we feel differently when they do grow up, we also might feel differently right now if we ourselves were 11 too.