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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Baroness Nicholson on twitter

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Winesalot · 01/05/2020 23:27

I have been lurking on twitter lately and noticed Baroness Nicholson has been very active recently. Amongst her tweets are quite a few gems - letters to Liz Truss, tweets asking for evidence about Stonewall’s involvement CPS guidance just to name two.

This tweet I found very encouraging too.

It is imperative to restore the rights of women.I foresee a single issue, cluster approach;we make a new Women’s Rights movement lasting one year,solely to rescue womanhood from its destruction through today’s legal and social denial of our existence.Emma,BNoW

She has today written to Liz Truss again but this time with her concerns about the gross misinterpretation of the ECHR in the trans toolkits used in schools and recommends that such toolkits are removed from use now. Such support is great news.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1256326753850556418?s=21

I will try to post the letter for those not on twitter.

I look forward to seeing what what happens next.

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Lamahaha · 26/05/2020 10:28

Someone on Twitter asked her if (paraphrased) she was aware that lesbians were labelled transphobic if they didn't sleep with transwomen.
She replied ??????
So she's on to that too.

HorseRadishFemish · 26/05/2020 10:36

The Baroness is probably lucky enough not to have heard of the "cotton ceiling"......yet.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/05/2020 10:50

Good point re the NSPCC. The Baroness has lots of links to children's organisations and charities, she is very well placed to look into the very worrying actions of hte NSPCC over recent years.

There's Munroe Bergdorf offering kids to 'pm' Bergdorf, and the bloke who took pics of himself in the toilets at work at the NSPCC, too, both defended at least initially by the NSPCC.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/05/2020 11:10

Essentially it all boils down to 'these things would make a vulnerable group of males very happy and feel valued and safe if everybody did them.'

The trouble is that number one on the list of 'things to do' to achieve this lovely aim, is abandon all rights for females and compel them to be nothing more than props in the lives of these males, while thwarting their ability to protest about it.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/05/2020 11:11

Number 2 on the list is abandon safeguarding for children

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 11:32

Ah the NSPCC. Past employer of toilet-self-entertainment-at-work-rubber-boy. Defender of rubber boy (until they weren’t). Attacker of women (and men) who said ‘eooooowwwwww’ to rubber boy’s self promoted video of work toilet extra curriculum activities, and their choice of ambassadors. That NSPCC?

I knew there was another reason that when their as comes on the radio I yell ‘YES - I WORRY ABOUT KIDS IN CONTACT WITH THE NSPCC!!’

DickKerrLadies · 26/05/2020 11:39

I've been hanging around here for so long that I forget the sheer volume of stuff that I've learnt over the years and how it's all connected.

Just reading the summary of all the NSPCC stuff - it sounds utterly ridiculous but it's all come from their own words.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 11:57

We need a spreadsheet. I’m at the point now where I will say NO - I’m not buying that! As I have my ‘Nono list’. I can’t even remember what some of them are for now (usually on this theme though!) but it would be useful to have an aid memoire in case anyone asks!

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/05/2020 12:01

I wonder what it would take for an independent enquiry into the GRA and the regulatory capture of subsequent campaigns?

Needmoresleep · 26/05/2020 12:12

Would Liz Truss or Baroness Nicholson do a MN chat?

PrimalLass · 26/05/2020 12:17

Could you explain to me why the 'honorary womanhood' isn't a good idea?

My opinion is that it is very obvious which trans people are genuine, like Blaire White, as their 'tone' is far more like women, and those that are porn-soaked misogynistic chancers or have serious mental health issues.

I recognise that this is all problematic.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 12:28

Would Liz Truss or Baroness Nicholson do a MN chat?

The MNHQ complaints hotline would melt!

Needmoresleep · 26/05/2020 12:40

It is absolutely appropriate for the Minister responsible for Women to do a MN chat. MN would be clear that they did not want any one topic to dominate, and would ensure that there was a spread of questions about childcare etc.

The Minister would not say anything except for "I have asked... to review..." or "I will ask ... to look into this".

However, and it is a biggie. She will not say TWAW. A huge step forward after some of the labour leader candidates.

This will infuriate people. But some people are infuriated easily if their rights are not clearly given precedence over the rights of others.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 13:58

Maybe they would actually stand up for women - unlike the GMB.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/05/2020 15:38

Could you explain to me why the 'honorary womanhood' isn't a good idea?

How long have you got?

Trying to keep some of the biggest issues brief:

It was a 'nice' solution supposed to avoid the HoL and parliament having to agree to gay marriage.

From that was created the whole idea that someone male could 'become' a woman in legal reality.

Which led to the whole confusions and muddles over some males are just different types of females/ sex is a spectrum/ TWAW/ woman and female should be separated from biological reality

Then we had the whole any male at any time can just self declare and IS a woman and some women have penises etc etc because if you allow one that 'prize' the campaign starts for just how wide can that door be shoved, and we've seen beyond all doubt, it will be pushed as far as possible

This distortion of what is a woman, commandeering and destroying of female only groups, spaces, trying to erase language, the right to meet in law without males, the right to have any kind of bodily privacy from males - it's not working out great for female people is it? Bit of a #fail if you're interested in the interests of female people rather than male people.

Womanhood also obecame twisted as a concept into something that could be bestowed on males - it's not some sort of gatekept prize for the worthy, it's just a biological state.

If it's anything other than just a biological state, females are returned to the trap of 'female is a performance of femininity' (and shut up about the fact that barely any female people really perform it) stereotypes of what female people can and can't do, no right to name or assemble or organise as a class or centre their own interests or campaign for their needs as a class, (just go and check how many male born self identifying women campaign for anything at all that isn't about them or an interest of theirs, it's odd how periods feature but NO other interest of biological females) no right to escape male abusers and be in a male free space, no right to be on a hospital ward without someone with a penis in the next bed, no right to change clothes without someone with a penis having the right to smirk, wank in the next cubicle and leave the door open hoping you walk in and leaving jizz on the floor hoping you walk in it cos oooooh the thrillz….

as I said, how long have you got?

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/05/2020 15:41

Womanhood also became twisted as a concept into something that could be bestowed on males - it's not some sort of gatekept prize for the worthy, it's just a biological state.

Ah forgot to mention here the rage at female people then seen to be gatekeeping and withholding something from male people seen as possible to get and therefore an entitlement.

Gatekeeping womanhood, gatekeeping your vagina.... whole phrases have been dragged into existence by this like muddy orcs being dragged out of the ground, all of which basically involve males controlling females while removing female rights. Particularly the right of females to protest and resist.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 15:42

Womanhood - you either is or you ain’t. You don’t get to ‘join the club’. You can’t resign either. It just is.

Michelleoftheresistance · 26/05/2020 15:45

Lord you're marvellous Grin Three sentences, nail on the head.

Can I be an honorary tall person? Thin person? BAME person? Gay person? Disabled person? Or would that be a bit silly and frankly insulting to people who have to exist in that reality?

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 15:53

It’s that time of the month - women know that - I’m being even less charming that usual...

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/05/2020 17:07

Yes, indeed, Lordfrontpaw. It's like getting upset about gravity. Which I have been known to do myself occasionally, but still

Aesopfable · 26/05/2020 17:10

It's like getting upset about gravity.

I blame gravity for my weight and my weight upsets me.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 17:23

I blame for my aging:

God
Mother Nature
Physics/chemistry and biology
Goblins

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/05/2020 18:24

I blame gravity every time I trip over my own feet and end up with the pavement smacking me in the face. Which happens too often, in my opinion. And yes, weight. Why can't we be more like the moon, where everyone just floats about delightfully and all the drinks are giant whooshy bubbles?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 26/05/2020 18:25

Ah, yes, the goblins of ageing are right nippy bastards. I'm with you there.

Lordfrontpaw · 26/05/2020 18:37

Wee feckers. There are Kelpies around these parts ('We’re the little Scottish Kelpies, Smart and quick and ready helpers' - any ex-brownies will remember that). But why they weren't hoseys I'll never know.

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