Baroness Nicholson on twitter

[Winesalot]

I have been lurking on twitter lately and noticed Baroness Nicholson has been very active recently. Amongst her tweets are quite a few gems - letters to Liz Truss, tweets asking for evidence about Stonewall’s involvement CPS guidance just to name two.

This tweet I found very encouraging too.

It is imperative to restore the rights of women.I foresee a single issue, cluster approach;we make a new Women’s Rights movement lasting one year,solely to rescue womanhood from its destruction through today’s legal and social denial of our existence.Emma,BNoW

She has today written to Liz Truss again but this time with her concerns about the gross misinterpretation of the ECHR in the trans toolkits used in schools and recommends that such toolkits are removed from use now. Such support is great news.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1256326753850556418?s=21

I will try to post the letter for those not on twitter.

I look forward to seeing what what happens next.

I agree Cummings shouldn't be in govt and yes, should be sacked.

I still wouldn't call it 'dodgy' to support him or his views, though. It's probably a small point but I am getting so tired of the black and white absolutism of politics, I'm making a real effort to respect other people's views as valid, just different. (Unless they're actively & directly threatening other people's rights, of course. )

supporting Cummings at the present time is “dodgy” from 95% of people’s point of view. The comments on this Mumsnet thread reflect that

at this time, maybe 'trans woman is not woman' is one of most dodge opinion, so what's the matter?

Actually, now I've read more on what Cummings has done, I think you're right, GCGayDad. It is a dodgy stance to take.

Mea culpa. Time for my nap.

I know we are not supposed to encourage animosity against a fellow fighter in this gender war, but how many times has Hatchet got to show everyone who she is before they see her?

She's done multiple things to multiple women, whenever she's called out she talks about a fucking bike ride and uses a murdered woman.

I think she's completely toxic and, frankly, anyone who refuses to see it is complicit in her behaviour.

Actually, now I've read more on what Cummings has done, I think you're right, GCGayDad. It is a dodgy stance to take.

Glad you agree @ScrimpshawTheSecond ! Wouldn’t have minded if you or others hadn’t though - we all have different views, of course.

And I also agree with @skql - our GC views are indeed seen as dodgy by many people. But I for one am proud of holding dodgy views - on all kinds of issues. I think everyone should be critical of the establishment view and question, question, question.

GC but also important not to write other people’s views off without listening.

The tendency towards absolutism, on a number of subjects, has been bruising.

A different subject altogether but one of the wokest people on my Fb was having a real rant about children being encouraged to return to school. Literal murder, in her view. Boris and Cummings to blame. Someone politely offered a different opinion. Turns out the DC of the first person were in private school. She had no idea that other children were not getting a full on-line timetable, and many were getting very little education at all.

Thanks Winesalot

GCGayDad

thanks...

i just got canceled for cg posting in my home country website.
banned writing, commenting.
my country is not even that progressive..

but i'm proud of my dodgy opinion too.

western world is the one shown us free speech.(sorry for bad english)
but now there's too many pp were canceled for their different opinion.

i think
real diversity is not about skin color, what sex organ person have.

that's about different opinion.

I am all for differences of political opinion. It makes the world interesting. When it comes to safeguarding women and children , there should be complete clarity. That there is not, is deeply concerning.

I will check through the Baroness’ timeline to see whether those are covered Kittens and Datun.

Thank you wines.

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1264262553661734912

Archie Norman's letter is an explanation of why there are numerous circumstances of why men should access any changing room they want to.

It is the polar opposite of an excellent letter. Unless it is excellent in exemplifying the problem.

Baroness Nicholson doesn't (yet) actually get it at a fundamental level.

It’s what he thinks is being reasonable. He sounds like a hoodwinked fool.

Reading what the baroness has said, I suspect she's seeing the opportunity to explain how the chairman has the wrong grasp on the EA2010, and is looking for examples from women of the impact of that 'loose' understanding of the law in this. He should be asked for the risk assessment re hidden cameras, voyeurism, consultation with customers, staff, what additional training has been provided to staff in terms of understanding the need for female privacy & how to deal with complaints irrespective of how the subject of the complaint identifies.

Anyone who has experienced the impact or who has stopped shopping there due to the disregard of the need for single sex changing areas for female customers.

I think this is an opening gambit & the door has been wedged open. Time to give as much feedback to the baroness as possible.

The good thing is that whereas the rest of us mere mortal women have no access to these people - the companies basically tell is to f-off in their letters (John Lewis I’m looking at you too) someone like her can call up and make an appointment.

I’ve stopped stopped there. When all this kicked off last year I walked down oxford street going into most of the clothes/department stores and bloody hell, the vast majority had no sex indicators on the changing room doors and the attitude very much was ‘use the one you feel comfortable in’. Several had trans women attending in the woman’s departments (even though they had men’s, kids and homeware ones to choose from).

(Fun fact - I was served by a bearded trans woman in the woman’s dept of a clothing store wearing the same blouse that I had bought recently in the store. ‘Oh, I have that top too!’ I said (with a smile, because that’s what you do). I got absolute evil daggers from them. Maybe they didn’t like the idea someone the age of their mum turning wearing in the same outfit.)

Exactly. We've been here before, and been dismissed & ignored, but keeping at it until someone or something was able to get through. This is an opportunity not to be thrown away.

Also, many of the finer points of these issues had to be spelled out very clearly to me before I understood them, because some of it is so intentionally confusing.

Thank you to the vipers of Mumsnet for their patience in doing that thoughtful commentary, even when sometimes they'd no doubt done it 50,000 times before. It helped and continues to help and provide insight and thought provoking ideas.

I feel a bit sorry for the Baroness just at the moment- she's trying to get examples of incidents specifically in M&S changing rooms, (to follow up on the correspondence with M&S), but she's getting all kinds of stuff.

Too much noise-to-signal is not going to help her be effective with this.

However, it looks like WTFSeriously was on the right track and Nicholson is actively engaged in debate while gathering relevant material. Fingers crossed.

There was the ‘non binary’ person who got into one because a M&S assistant made the mistake of trying to encourage them to use the changing room that matched their sex. Grovelling apologies were issued...

I know she's asking for M and S specific incidents but surely examples from other shops and leisure centres should be taken into account? Do m and s really have to wait until a woman or child is abused in their own fitting rooms before they will take action?

If she's using her rank to get the Chairman of M&S to engage, then she needs to make an impact about how this applies to M&S. Referring to other shops might possibly encourage him to investigate. A baroness publicly identifying problems happening in M&S will get him involved.

She has been sent the Glasgow incident link from this yeAr where the two men walked into the bra fitting changing room.

I do think it needs to be specific to M&S to be effective. It is too easy to deflect otherwise.

What about if your local store does NOT have floor to ceiling lockable cubicles? That would also be helpful?

@WTFSeriously
I suspect (or rather, hope) that the Baroness does not just envisage M&S and others to return to making policies compliant with the law. I think that there are further aspects she could pursue wrt:
*which organisations M&S consulted when making these policies,
*had these organisations misrepresented the law,
*had M&S performed due diligence re impact of changes,
*had M&S lawyers checked that any advice received was lawful, and the written policy was lawful,
*who in M&S agreed these policies.

I don’t know if consulting organisations can face legal repercussions re giving bad advice, but I would expect they could lose public funding.
I wonder if Baroness Nichols has such longer term objectives once companies observe the law.

^I think this is why she is so pleased that Lord Norman’s reply conflated sex with identity.