Baroness Nicholson on twitter

[Winesalot]

I have been lurking on twitter lately and noticed Baroness Nicholson has been very active recently. Amongst her tweets are quite a few gems - letters to Liz Truss, tweets asking for evidence about Stonewall’s involvement CPS guidance just to name two.

This tweet I found very encouraging too.

It is imperative to restore the rights of women.I foresee a single issue, cluster approach;we make a new Women’s Rights movement lasting one year,solely to rescue womanhood from its destruction through today’s legal and social denial of our existence.Emma,BNoW

She has today written to Liz Truss again but this time with her concerns about the gross misinterpretation of the ECHR in the trans toolkits used in schools and recommends that such toolkits are removed from use now. Such support is great news.

twitter.com/baroness_nichol/status/1256326753850556418?s=21

I will try to post the letter for those not on twitter.

I look forward to seeing what what happens next.

Jesus wept, I hope she didn't mean that she would pull out.

We've finally got someone with power and insight and the will to use both.

Some feminists on Twitter have complained about the Baroness' comments about - as far as I can tell - domestic violence survivors.

From what I can see she made one single tweet which said 'Crazy to remain' about someone living with an abuser.

twitter.com/narcabuserehab/status/1182568554325008384

She had loads of replies which explained why this was an inappropriate comment and she apologised to the person she had replied to.

But they won't let go. She has to be cancelled. As someone on there has said, no amount of grovelling apologies will ever be enough.

This particular thread demonstrates that countless women on twitter are asking her to ignore the infighting and move on. It's very frustrating when individual egos get involved and try to dominate the narrative but twas ever thus. That's why their single mindedness can be so successful elsewhere.

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1264147210612113409

Let's hope she puts this one down to sometimes you're just not going to be able to resolve an interpersonal conflict and moves on, because we need her to keep doing exactly what she has been doing. There's no reason people can't also help her come to a better understanding of why what she tweeted upset so many women, it's not an either/or situation.

As a subject, purity spirals have been well discussed here on MN. I think this is a good example. It is obvious there has been miscommunication here. The Baroness has expressed a desire to discuss it. Twitter is truly not a place to have that discussion in my opinion, if it were me I would do it offline and with more than a few hundred characters to make sure that there was no more miscommunication issues.

However, communication has to be two way in this instance and if one party doesn’t which to participate, so be it. Accept it and move on. Don’t then make your ‘group’ have to choose. It is not a playground and splitting into factions does not help anyone in the long run.

For goodness sake! The TRAs will be having a field day. Look at the. bigger picture people! Was she offering to campaign on domestic violence? No. So find someone else who understands that issue better to join that crusade. For now I want someone who is capable of recognising that fundamental to any campaign to protect women is the need to be able to define woman and to campaign to do that.

If the Baroness withdraws because of certain feminists demanding ashes and sackcloth and grovelling apologies due to one tweet, I will be beyond pissed off. My rights and that of all women are more important than their purity politics.

scapaflo

I think that the person that the Baroness tweeted ‘was crazy to remain’ (not sure if they were exact words) had been describing her plight in a tweet thread and the Baroness has said that she saw one part of that tweet and did not a) realise the significance of it in context and b) did not know the tweeter (and probably still does not).

She did offer to step back. But she has had support to stay so I hope she does.

Does anyone know if she is aware of autogynephilia?

I get the impression she is fully aware of predatory and aggressive men entering women's spaces for kicks or to intimidate, but I wonder if she understands the sexual motive side too.

I think that she has. Her letter to anonymous stated that men are using getting access to changing rooms for their ‘less appealing habits’ and makes mention of the number of pics of people taking photos of their male genitalia as trophy pics in female changing rooms.

But then again maybe no one has mentioned it directly.

As a subject, purity spirals have been well discussed here on MN. I think this is a good example. It is obvious there has been miscommunication here. The Baroness has expressed a desire to discuss it. Twitter is truly not a place to have that discussion in my opinion, if it were me I would do it offline and with more than a few hundred characters to make sure that there was no more miscommunication issues.

I should be good on twitter because mostly all I have is questions and sarcasm but I just CBA with it.

I'd really like to leave party politics and personal disagreements out of all this as it's a distraction on top of a distraction. Although maybe I'm only saying that because I'm sick of the self-identified left.

Anyway, I'm being grumpy.

A female computer programmer and systems analyst in the 60s and 70s? Yeah, I reckon she knows!

I knew before I even opened that link that Jean Hatchet would be involved in this. The woman is involved in every fight with feminists ever.

She is fucking toxic

Thanks for linking the tweet, OldCrone.

I can see that it might have been upsetting, in context.

It was a three word tweet, made last October. For which the Baroness has apologised, as far as I can see.

Hopefully we can all move on without derailing the main subject.

Dances,

I am just going to post this.

She can pretend this is a coincidence all she likes, but she posted it less than 48 hours after my wife died, and there is a backstory with her wishing to defend her friend, Rosa Freedman (Rosa lied about the police visiting her on my behalf and then threatened to post confidential details of my case with Hayden on her Twitter - I had to send her a legal cease and desist letter).

JH knows NOTHING about my marriage (beyond gossip). I spent much of yesterday talking to my wife's best friend and spent it with her family. God we had our difficulties, but the last thing we said, on the Sunday before it happened, was an I LOVE YOU and we had plans this weekend to walk the dogs. We were speaking until three hours before it happened on the Weds.

And then JH posts that? She can maintain plausible deniability, but we all saw it (indeed, many in my groups immediately disassociated). I will never, ever forgive this breathtakingly calculated comment and just hope I never have cause to be in the same room as her.

It was a three word tweet, made last October. For which the Baroness has apologised, as far as I can see.

Exactly. And 'upper-class person doesn't fully understand all aspects of the real world' isn't really news to anyone, is it? Even on MN.

She's willing to listen and consider what other people say which is more than can be said for people such as Alice Roberts, for example.

So thinking about Datun’s post... are there any issues that we should be informing the Baroness about.

I do think she has had plenty of links to resources, and personal recounting of experiences. But is there something that is being skipped over (eg. Drag queen story time?) that still falls into the current focus of schools and safeguarding, changing rooms and toilets and sports. Ie. Not something to distract from these but to be tackled in the same communications.

Hi Louise
I'm very sorry for your loss.

There is no need for this at the best of times, but very cruel now especially.

I can't pretend to know, understand (or care) about all the fights. I do think there is an inevitability of fall outs because we are not The Borg, but I have observed that it's always her in the thick of it, with a superior tone, lecturing people on whatever. Total purity spiral BS.

The Baroness is doing an excellent job and the last thing we need is for her to back off because of fucking tone policing due to comment more than a year ago. Honestly, the ego of it all!

Thanks for that winesalot. I'm not on Twitter, so I hesitate to ask people just to say stuff I want them to.

But understanding the implications of AGP takes the entire conflict to another level.

Does the Baroness know about Girl Guides?

This particular thread demonstrates that countless women on twitter are asking her to ignore the infighting and move on.

Quite a few men in support too. Looking through her Twitter feed, I see she has some very dodgy views - tweeting in support of Dominic Cummings, anyone? - but on this issue, she’s unreservedly fantastic.

dodgy views

Otherwise known as 'views that differ from my own'?

Girl guides, drag kids, drag queen story time, the female teenager with Downs Syndrome who was given a mastectomy in the US despite heart problems that made major surgery an obviously terrible idea (British TRA tend to copy what the American ones are doing), Steven Whittle's disturbing comments about child protection and the Guides on here, the fact that extreme porn advocate Jane Fae advised the Guides on their policy.

Otherwise known as 'views that differ from my own'?

If you like, but each of us makes judgements on other people’s views from our own perspective.

But I actually think supporting Cummings at the present time is “dodgy” from 95% of people’s point of view. The comments on this Mumsnet thread reflect that: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3917417-ds-statement-on-cummings-is-shameful?pg=1

Ah, buts that’s what you think. Others may think differently.

Opinion vs fact.

Gender vs sex.