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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Government's Hate Crime bill

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Dances · 28/04/2020 08:25

stephendaisley.com/2020/04/27/law-is-a-blunt-tool-for-fighting-hatred/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Chilling and totalitarian. You would have thought they had learned something with the Named Persons bill and the Football bill

Is Scottish Gov pushing this through during COVID crisis? Anyone know of the timetable for this?

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Aesopfable · 30/07/2020 12:03

Good article here. Even the police unions mentioning orhanusations shutting down debate and references trans/women's rights:
www.heraldscotland.com/news/18612640.police-union-warns-snp-hate-crime-bill-will-paralyse-freedom-speech

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 30/07/2020 16:57

So, given that the world and its mother say that this bill is a terrible idea, and nobody really seems to support it, is it likely to still go through?

NonnyMouse1337 · 12/08/2020 10:07

Another good article found by highame on another thread.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-snp-s-hate-crime-bill-is-turning-the-law-into-a-culture-war

highame · 12/08/2020 12:21

Thanks Nonny, I was just going to copy it over.

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/09/2020 11:28

GOVERNMENT TO ANNOUNCE HATE CRIME BILL CHANGES THIS AFTERNOON

From Free to Disagree newsletter

Later today Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf will make a statement on the Hate Crime Bill after an announcement on Sunday that the government is prepared to make “significant changes”. We eagerly await the substance of these changes which will determine whether or not the furore over the bill continues into the coming months, or dissipates entirely.

As you know, ‘stirring up’ offences in part two of the bill are the main cause of controversy. These vague and subjective provisions are considered a threat to freedom of speech and expression. In our view, the only way to avoid undermining free speech is to withdraw these offences wholesale. The problems with them are too many and too complex to address.

Read: 10 problems with the 'stirring up' offences

Protecting free speech is not the only argument for ditching the ‘stirring up’ proposals. Crucially, the government and other proponents have not demonstrated how these specific proposals would reduce hate-related crimes, or lend greater protection to citizens. Existing laws already catch violence, harassment and abuse.

Tackling hatred and prejudice is vitally important. But the government is applying the wrong method. Ministers must withdraw the ‘stirring up’ proposals altogether and reconsider their approach. If they don’t, the row over the Hate Crime Bill will only continue.

SerenityNowwwww · 23/09/2020 11:38

I was thinking of this Bill as I read on twitter the Frankie Boyle ‘in conversation’ type thing (that you buy tickets for - if you have time check out the twitter comments - under Penguin - as they are quite funny) and people were posting the things that he has ‘joked’ about. Some of them I hadn’t heard - is it only women he threatens or seems to fantasise about physically harming?

Can’t they change the law and have an exception for him?

Babdoc · 23/09/2020 12:32

Sorry SerenityNow, much as I detest Boyle, no, we can’t have an exception just for him. (If only!)
We either have free speech or we don’t. The SNP administration are going for “Don’t”.
We need to fight that tooth and nail or wave goodbye to democracy in Scotland.
In keeping with so many nationalist movements in history, the SNP are totalitarian, police state mentality, oppressors at heart. Sturgeon is a narcissistic control freak - you have only to look at the way she hogs the tv coverage, forbids dissent in the party and limits power to herself, her husband and a tiny inner circle echo chamber.
I loathe everything Boyle says. But I will defend to the death his right to say it.
Because I need that same right to speak against the TRAs attacking women’s rights, and to campaign politically against the SNP and their attempts to break up Britain and establish their police state in Scotland.

Sexnotgender · 23/09/2020 12:34

I agree babdoc, Boyle is a loathsome woman hating skidmark but he’s allowed his freedom of speech as we all are.

Interested to see what the changes are.

NecessaryScene1 · 23/09/2020 12:43

For those who missed it, Wings Over Scotland just published a piece by Australian Senator Claire Chandler talking about her situation, to relate it to the proposed Scottish law.

I find these sort of collisions of worlds fascinating - Aussie female rights campaigners meshing with Scottish independence campaigners over basic freedoms. I think a lot of the comments section didn't come to WoS for the feminism, but they're on-board.

wingsoverscotland.com/compulsory-conciliation/

334bu · 23/09/2020 21:44

Looks like Part 2 of the bill going to be changed.
www.gov.scot/news/hate-crime-law-reform/

NonnyMouse1337 · 23/09/2020 23:06

GOVERNMENT HATE CRIME BILL CHANGES DON’T GO FAR ENOUGH

Changes to the Hate Crime Bill announced today are a “step in the right direction” but don’t go far enough to allay free speech fears, campaigners say.

freetodisagree.scot/press_releases/government-hate-crime-changes-dont-go-far-enough/

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