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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LIZ TRUSS AND CHILD TRANSGENDER HEALTH CARE

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LindaLeeDanvers · 24/04/2020 11:21

On Wednesday (22nd April) it was published in some of the LGBT+ news mediums that Liz Truss had given a statement to the Women’s and Equality Select committee regarding the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. In this she made 3 statements all of which raised concern within the trans community, though one caused serious concerns for transgender individuals all over the UK. She said;-

“Finally, which is not a direct issue concerning the Gender Recognition Act, but is relevant, making sure that the under 18s are protected from decisions that they could make, that are irreversible in the future. I believe strongly that adults should have the freedom to lead their lives as they see fit, but I think it’s very important that while people are still developing their decision-making capabilities that we protect them from making those irreversible decisions.”

Essentially spouting a line that gender critical people have been spouting for several years now, in essence saying that they don’t think those under the age of 18 should be allowed medical intervention. Things like puberty blockers to prevent transgender children from having to go through puberty, allowing them to buy more time to decide and to stop them having to go through something that does produce irreversible changes. Also stopping those who are normally 16 or over from being able to access cross sex hormones to allow them to go through puberty that aligns with their gender identity.

As these people think that the children who are coming out as transgender and seeking help for it are not actually transgender. They make claims such as they are just confused people who are taking the transgender path because of external pressure from websites and social media. Or that it’s the parents pushing their children to go down this path because it’s “trendy” and the parents of those children will be seen in a positive light.

But if you talk to any transgender person who is over 18, they will tell you that they did feel the same way as a child as they do as an adult. That their gender identity had developed when they were young, they just didn’t have the words to be able to express it back then or they feared how it would be handled if they had told people.

Though now society is more open about people being transgender, and there is much more information out there about it which allows young people to be able to express how they feel and feel confident to be able to come out to those around them. This being the case we are now seeing transgender people coming out at a younger age, rather than in later life as it had been in the past.

So this statement made by Liz Truss is rather alarming that she is actually considering taking steps to deny those under 18 access to medical treatment and would essentially force all transgender people to have to experience a puberty that conflicts with their gender identity. As someone who had to deal with that, to me forcing people to do it is a horrible thing to do. Because it causes so much mental anguish and does cause irreversible changes and in my honest opinion would be on par with torture due to the mental anguish it would cause.

When I first read this I sat and thought about it for a while and started to think about the legalities of doing such a thing and instantly a whole raft of things popped in to my head about how doing such a thing would clash with several UK laws that already exist.

The first thing that popped in to my head was Gillick competence, which is derived from the House of Lords Case Gillick v West Norfolk and Wisbech Area Health Authority [1985] UKHL 7, which sets in law the principle in this case that anyone under the age of 16 can provide legal consent for medical treatment if they can demonstrate that they understand the potential consequences of that treatment.

This on its own throws up the first legal issue that the government would have to deal with. A simple ban on anyone under the age of 18 accessing medical treatment specifically for treatments relating to gender identity, would be them saying that they agree with Gilick but not with regards to transgender people.

Which is direct discrimination against transgender people, and as such would allow for any trans person affected by this the ability to take the government to court using two possible methods. Those being either under the Equality Act 2010, which explicitly makes direct discrimination on the grounds of gender identity unlawful or an Article 14 claim (Prohibition of discrimination) alongside either Article 8 (Right to respect for private and family life) or Article 10 (Freedom of expression) using the Human Rights Act 1998.

Now the government in this situation could relatively easily deal with the Equality Act issue, by alongside the bit of legislation that they would need to introduce such a ban include an exemption amendment to the Equality act that says doing this would not be discrimination. That would then go along side all the other exemptions that there are in the Equality Act. Meaning that they would need two parliamentary votes to introduce a ban, and with a majority of 80 that is possible to do.

But the Human Rights Act is different; there is not a list of exemptions that they could simply add too. This would end up having to be decided by judges as if to they would consider such a ban to be discriminatory or not. Potentially going all the way through the British Judicial system and ending up in Strasbourg at the European Court of Human Rights for them to decide on the issue. Meaning that the decision would be made by people who didn’t have a political motive for deciding on it.

Now when it comes to Human Rights Law things get complicated if a government wishes to change or repeal it. As such actions could invoke the Sewel Convention, meaning that not only would the parliament in Westminster need to vote on any changes but the devolved governments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would have a say in it. With any one of them being able to stop any change.

Then on top of that any changes to the Human Rights Act would directly impact The Good Friday Agreement, and changes to that need both the consent of the British Government and the Irish Government. This would require that part of the Good Friday Agreement to be re-negotiated and then ratified by both nations.

If all that was achieved the government would still be faced with the issue of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) to deal with. As while hypothetically changes to domestic Human Rights legislation is possible the ECHR has supremacy over domestic legislation and thus any decision on banning under 18’s from medical treatment was discriminatory would fall to the judges at the European Court of Human Rights.

Who have already said in L. v. Lithuania, that it is unlawful for governments to put undue restrictions on accessing services for the treatment of transgender people, so a blanket ban on treating under 18’s would do just that.

Therefore if Liz Truss wanted to introduce a ban on medical treatment for under 18’s in the UK she would have to do the following;-

First she would have to amend the Equalities Act to introduce a new exemption making it legal to discriminate against those under 18 in refusing them medical treatment. Then repeal the Human Rights Act, which in turn would trigger the Sewel Convention meaning that she would need to gain consent from the Devolved Parliament’s and hope that they all agree with her. After that she would then be left having to re-negotiate the Good Friday Agreement and get it ratified by both the UK Government and Irish Government. Then take the founding member state of the European Convention on Human Rights out of it so that the European Court of Human Rights couldn’t find against the UK government for discriminating against every transgender person under the age of 18.

Then she could introduce her discriminatory view on how to treat transgender people under the age of 18 in to UK law. Which while it is possible for her to do all off that, it is highly unlikely that there would not be some major opposition to it happening at any one of those steps.

Plus you would have to deal with the views of the public when they realised what you were doing, and the backlash there would be from groups who have won rights using Human Rights Legislation and how those rights could now be lost as a result of what she would have to do just to stop transgender teenagers and children from accessing medical help.

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MoleSmokes · 30/04/2020 09:11

Meanwhile, in the USA, trans rights activists (who, as we all know, are predominantly middle-aged, male "late-transitioners") are so terribly concerned about the health and welfare of children that they are blocking legislation to ban Female Genital Mutilation:

"Trans Activists Protest Bi-Partisan Bill to Protect Girls From Barbaric Practice of Female Genital Mutilation"

www.womenarehuman.com/trans-activists-protest-bi-partisan-bill-to-protect-girls-from-barbaric-practice-of-female-genital-mutilation/

Extract

"The two major US political parties have come together to protect girls under age 18 from FGM. 32 states have already passed laws banning the practice on minors. Representative Dan Laursen (R-Powell) proposed House Bill 127 – Prohibition of female genital mutilation, which is intended to outlaw FGM across the state of Wyoming. Conservative Republicans and Democrats alike have signed onto the bill.

HBO 127 specifies that “sex reassignment surgery” is not prohibited “if the person on whom it is performed is over eighteen (18) years of age and requests and consents to the procedure.” Although both Democrats and Republicans acknowledged that it is already “rare” for a doctor to allow a person under 18 to undergo gender-affirming surgeries, transgender activists are crying foul.

Representative Sara Burlingame (D-Cheyenne) protested the language of the sex-reassignment clause as “bog[ging] this bill down with something that’s going to stop it in its tracks,” while Tara Muir of WCADVSA complained, “Wyoming cannot be the first state with such draconian limits on transgender people.”

Studies have found such immediate complications of FGM as severe pain, bleeding, shock, infection, septicemia, urine retention, and injury to adjacent tissues. FGM can also lead to a host of delayed and late complications, including: psychological trauma; fistula; chronic pain; formation of keloids that may lead to severe pain during intercourse and problems delivery a child; growth of cysts larger than an orange; menstrual problems; incontinence; difficulty urinating; urinary tract infections; infertility; labial fusion (sealing up of the vagina); high risk of infections during pregnancy; narrowing or lost flexibility of the vagina leading to difficulty delivering an infant vaginally; preterm labor and 15-55% increased risk of stillbirth or early neonatal death due to increased levels of the hormones estrogens and progestogens in the blood; dangerously heavy bleeding after childbirth; and higher risk of HIV.

Men who identify as transgender have routinely expressed hostility toward anti-FGM activists who have themselves been victimized by the practice. Tweeters said Ms Bergstrom’s use of the phrase “female genital mutilation” is transgender-exclusionary language, as not all people with vaginas are women, and not all women have vaginas. Jana Cornel, a black woman, was similarly told by Canadian politician Morgane Oger that the practice of FGM does not target females, as “nobody knows your sex except how you express it as gender.”

Oger talking bollocks as usual - sorry, "lady-bollocks".

truthisarevolutionaryact · 30/04/2020 10:37

It always defies belief MoleSmokes that when it comes to safeguarding and protecting children from harm, trans groups and lobbyists are so often against these measures. Just like the infamous UK porn campaigner who's tried to reduce the protective age limit for children to participate in porn films and all the trans guidelines that try to alienate children from protection of their parents.
But at least it's now in the open so that people can see just where these people stand.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 30/04/2020 11:15

That's horrifying MoleSmokes and so very telling.
I have zero sympathy for anyone trying to block an anti-FGM bill because they think there should be exceptions for children who don't conform to gender stereotypes.

BatShite · 02/05/2020 14:36

Jana Cornel, a black woman, was similarly told by Canadian politician Morgane Oger that the practice of FGM does not target females, as “nobody knows your sex except how you express it as gender.”

Jesus..how on earth do they come up with this...of course, female children/babies are mutilated because they 'expressed their gender'? Nowt at all to do with anything else, nothing to see here..

BatShite · 02/05/2020 14:38

The thought that noone knows anyones sex if they do not follow stereotypes is just ridiculous of course. Wishful thinking there I think somehow.

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