Dr Adrian Harrop (a trans activist) just asked for screen shots of anti trans statements posted here at MN

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Posted his request about 5 minutes ago (or at least thats when I saw it) on twitter.

Im not even particularly anti trans, but when I see attempts to whip up mobs like that, I feel that hes making people anti trans.

Sort makes me want to resort to making insidious dog whistle anti trans rhetoric just to fuck with him.

Leaving his trans stance aside, going by the rest of his twitter offerings, hes definitely not the person I would want as a GP. Lacks decorum and gravitas.

hmm, imagine getting the wrong sort of dingly dangly bovine bits into a milking machine... one would not have time to notice that there was a spare milking cup before one has arrived at the pearly gates ready to meet ones maker with a cloven bruise on ones' head.

bovine sex matters...

Talking of screenshots . . . is the Labour Party still hell-bent on suspending people for a history of membership and support for other parties, eg. Green Party and Conservative Party?

Spot the Tory Media-Tart!

imagine getting the wrong sort of dingly dangly bovine bits into a milking machine...

Great. Now I can't drink milk again.

This is the sort of thing that really makes me question - again - the adage from MNHQ that FWR causes loss in advertising revenue. As Datun has mentioned on this thread and as I have posted previously, what sort of companies would give up the opportunity to advertise to millions of unique users just because of the Twitter tantrums of misogynists and screenshots that show women talking about reality? Harrop’s failed attempts to discredit us here show there isn’t transphobia and Arla Dairies have demonstrated they’re not going to be swayed, so who are these companies that have pulled out so much ad revenue? Which companies withdrew to the extent that it’s left MNHQ telling us FWR makes a loss?

I guess what I’m saying is I don’t believe MNHQ currently because it makes such little sense. And if the ad revenue did drop because of “perceived transphobia” doesn’t this failed little escapade of Harrop’s demonstrate there are plenty of companies willing to advertise on MNHQ regardless of false perceptions? That those who apparently did pull out made a big mistake in doing so, because the majority of people see things for what they really are, rather than how the weirdos on Twitter want to paint it as?

Yet MNHQ are adamant that companies pulled out because of what we discuss here. Someone (sensible) explain to me how that would be a good business decision for them.

Oh Adrian. Do you not have anything better to do at a time like this?

Do your worst, you silly, strange man. We will find other ways to meet and talk. We always have.

The madness of TRAs and Suzy Green and her vanity project Mermaids is out there now. People are waking up every day. That genie is not going to be stuffed back into the bottle now.

Has arla deleted their tweet?

The tweet is still there. They originally posted a longer reply, deleted and posted a shorter, clearer version.

I've never seen anything posted here like the totally feminine statements from Joss up there that were aimed at transwomen that wasn't posted by a TRA sock (and immediately reported and deleted of course).

I've never seen anyone claim that transpeople don't - what was it, again? - 'meet the criteria for human'.

But yeah, of course we're the hateful bigots who refuse to even acknowledge the opinions of others

Oh no - it’s still up there. Responses are heartening. Some tantrums and milk spat up.

It's still up:

twitter.com/ArlaDairyUK/status/1250806215535460356

Maybe you've been lactophobic on twitter and you're blocked.

Sound ethics in the statement made by Arla.

I will definitely be buying Arla products next time I shop.

This has been a fantastic learning curve for me. I really hope Arla reads this thread.

I had absolutely no idea that they were a cooperative of farmers. My god that needs supporting!! I was reading yesterday about Freshways grinding dairy farmers into bankruptcy. I’ll go and find the article to link. I have until tonight to update my Tesco click and collect order. I’m going to change all my milk to Arla products (Cravendale I believe but I will google to be certain). I had just chucked in standard Tesco milk but I’m guessing that’s coming from Freshways.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-52052890

Does Harrop still work for an NHS trust? If so surely one might ask them if they consider trying to get a website for mums shut down is the best use of his time as a doctor during a pandemic. Surely there's something useful he could be doing as a doctor, even if it's only triage via phone.

Which companies withdrew to the extent that it’s left MNHQ telling us FWR makes a loss?

I'd like to know that too. I think it probably is the case that some companies have withdrawn advertising spend from MN as a result of lobbying from trans activists. Probably MN doesn't want to tell us which ones, as it might embolden the TRAs.

On the other hand, we also know that a large proportion of new users to MN arrive through the feminism board. The more users MN has, the more attractive it is to advertisers. So you have to take that into account as well.

I don't think it's surprising that MN should feel that trans activists could have a damaging effect on their business. While it might not have made existing advertisers remove their business (we don't know what's actually gone on and why), if TRAs can create a bad smell associated with MN, this could act as a deterrent to any new advertiser weighing up whether to advertise on MN. Also, with social media added to the mix, minor grievances can spiral unpredictably out of control to cause real damage.

I also didn't know Arla was a farmer's co-op. Not bought their milk before but will now. Actual ads often don't work on me as I tune them out!

I honestly believe that the days of luxurious thinking that allowed the trans lobby to get a foot in the door has gone. This kind of fanciful thinking is abundant when times are good, when people aren’t dying and when everyone is employed.

Directly the shit hits the fan people get very clear in their thinking. Food (hence the panic buying), money and health (Captain Tom and his charitable walk for the NHS). Poor San Smith and his pronouns are getting an absolute flaming right now on Twitter. People have no time for it.

I rather like our new nomenclature: Prosecco Stormfront

To the barricades!

I'm trying to keep very mild optimism in check justanotherneighinparadise but it does seem that the narcisssistic aspects of trans activism seem to be going down with the general public like a cup of cold sick at the moment.

Looks like I too will be buying Arla products. Have never tried Lurpak but will now.

Harrop is a joke. And what's with the false and pretentious way he writes his boring tweets? He must loathe himself. Although why wouldn't he, I suppose.

Surely there's something useful he could be doing as a doctor, even if it's only triage via phone.

He's said he's working for 111

Justanotherneigh it does feel like they've had their day, and it's the beginning of the end now.

While it might not have made existing advertisers remove their business (we don't know what's actually gone on and why), if TRAs can create a bad smell associated with MN, this could act as a deterrent to any new advertiser weighing up whether to advertise on MN. Also, with social media added to the mix, minor grievances can spiral unpredictably out of control to cause real damage.

I can see this point, but surely any advertisers worth their salt would weigh up the pros and cons and see that the access to the users would work out to be more worthwhile? And this attempt to target Arla proves that doesn’t it? Does it really go like this?

Ad Company Exec 1: we should put this product on Mumsnet, there’s millions of milk buyers there!

Woke ad intern: oh no, I follow someone on Twitter who retweeted someone who said they’d seen a screenshot of soooo much transphobia, probably should stay clear if there unless you want to be seen as the bigots you are

Ad company exec: oh, ok then, let’s look elsewhere.

Times April 2018
'Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts: Transgender activists try to curb free speech on site'
(extract)
“Transgender activists have contacted Mumsnet advertisers and said they will be organising a boycott of their products if they don’t remove their advertising from Mumsnet,” Roberts said.

The website had told the advertisers that it “works hard to keep the discussions civil” and was determined to let them continue.

“What’s worrying to me is the thought-police action around speech and the shutting down of the right to be able to disagree and immediately labelling it as transphobic,” Roberts said.

The threats are the latest move in a campaign by transgender activists to inhibit discussion of potential legal changes that would allow people born male to self-identify as women.

Feminists say the plans threaten women’s rights and protected spaces. Trans activists say that to oppose them is bigotry. They have pressurised dozens of venues into cancelling meetings on the subject.

One meeting that went ahead at the House of Commons led to a complaint to the parliamentary standards commissioner against David Davies, the MP who organised it.

Trans activists bombarded the Commons authorities with demands that the meeting be cancelled with one, Ariel Moss, boasting on Twitter that she “rang them three times today under different voices and phones”.

Sometimes attempts to break up meetings have turned violent. Last week a trans activist, Tara Wolf, was convicted of assaulting a feminist who was attending a rally against the proposals. (continues)

Roberts said no advertiser had yet pulled out. “There is a section of the hardline trans side which thinks that any discussion at all is by definition transphobic, but we’ve explained we’re working very hard to keep it civil,” she said.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-transgender-activists-try-to-curb-free-speech-on-site-z3sr3nf6q?shareToken=b2eb62822dd26aecc0f88653978ed23a

Response from MN members:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3222471-AIBU-to-be-extremely-proud-of-Justine-Roberts-Mumsnet-right-now

Companies have considerable choice in where they can advertise. They are also often very averse to anything, sensible or bonkers, that can translate into reputational risk. When MN is competing in the market place it would be sensitive to any reputational risk smear that's been put on them.