Rory Stewart says 'male prisoners self-identified as females and raped prison staff'

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In this month's issue of GQ apparently. Is this true?!

twitter.com/RevStu/status/1248336587831808000?s=20

That is great news.

I wonder how Barry got a copy of the letter?

Everything that Newspapers print is true . . .

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For £4.99 - the same price as a Mumsnet Premium Membership Subscription! - you could get access to the Sunday Sport online! Better value because you get the first month free!

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ps. Adolf Hitler was a woman!

Damn, I've got concerns about data integrity but I'm reaching the point where I might have to take out a Mumsnet Premium subscription just to annoy the wankers.

Kantastic - I had a very helpful and informative reply from JustineMumsnet on this thread:

"Premium Membership Privacy and Data Protection - MNHQ please clarify"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3878378-Premium-Membership-Privacy-and-Data-Protection-MNHQ-please-clarify?msgid=95686183

Just to clarify, Rory made the statement in an interview with GQ magazine, which was then picked up by newspapers.

One would hope that he would be asking GQ to publish a retraction if they misquoted him, but neither he nor his office have responded to anyone asking if it was a misquote.
So, he has either lied, (or ‘misspoke’ as people like to say now) OR there was a cover up.

I am sure I remember reading that "Karen" White had sexually assaulted female prison officers although it is not mentioned in the summary here:

transcrimeuk.com/2018/07/17/karen-white/

Then there is Andrew Burns / Tiffany Scott (aka Obi Wan Kenobi/Mighty Almighty)

"a violent male who identifies as a trans woman, is a serial violent offender with a string of convictions for violence against women (including members of the public, nurses and prison officers), assaults, stalking, criminal damage, vandalism, making false allegations against prison officers and resisting arrest."

transcrimeuk.com/2017/10/31/andrew-burns-tiffany-scott/

It was in that case, or maybe another one in Scotland, that there is a little bell ringing in my brain about female prison officers making complaints about being sexually assaulted but then being persuaded to drop their complaints.

If Rory Stewart is telling the truth and has not "misspoken" then my first question to him would be,

"You say that while you were Prisons Minister you were aware that female prison officers had been raped by male inmates. Yet you said and did nothing. Why did you cover this up?"

Baroness McDonagh has had her question answered:

members.parliament.uk/member/3701/writtenquestions#expand-1189680

"No reported incidents of any type of sexual assault against prison officers by transgender prisoners" apparently.

Maybe just a coincidence but today Rory Stewart has pulled out of the election as an independent candidate to be the next Mayor of London:

www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/coronavirus-has-changed-everything-and-i-can-no-longer-run-for-mayor-a4433551.html

Is he going back to his old job on Thunderbirds?

@Mockersxxxx I needed a laugh tonight after dealing with wankery from DH.

Mockers!

5 out of 122 - difficult to know what to make of that without knowing what the specifics were, how they actually count trans prisoners (don't think numbers include those with GRC?), and what the total numbers of trans prisoners / female prisoners is. I've seen a few people try to get to grips with the prison stats and they always inevitably come up against some sort of uncertainty with the data. It's never clear. The data often doesn't include prisoners of certain types too - those 'passing through' or those who are only there for short periods. It's messy.

That said, I'm delighted that the tale of staff being attacked may not be true.

One puzzling thing about the response is that they quite obviously haven't included the Karen White assaults in there. So you have to question how reliable the figures are.

I do think it was irresponsible of Stewart to claim there had been attacks on prison officers if it wasn't true.

Nice one, mockers..

Perhaps the attacks were recorded as having been done by women as everything else seems to be recorded as a self-declared sex. So they don't have accurate stats.

One puzzling thing about the response is that they quite obviously haven't included the Karen White assaults in there.

If a transwoman has a GRC, so is legally female, are they still counted as a 'transgender prisoner'?

But I don't think 'Karen White' has a GRC, so that wouldn't explain why his assaults on female prisoners weren't included.

Q: To ask Her Majesty's Government how many sexual assaults have been carried out by trans prisoners against women prisoners and prison officers in prisons in each year since 2010

A: Since 2010, out of the 122 sexual assaults that occurred in the female estate a total of five of those were sexual assaults against females in custody perpetrated by transgender individuals.

The question was about offences committed by a category of prisoner while the answer was not limited to prisoners. There could be assaults by prison officers and other non-prisoner males mixed in with the 122.

These are all good questions.

The stats/data/info is virtually meaningless, now, as police will record crimes according to whatever the accused tells them. Anyone giving it ten seconds of thought might think that wasn't the best idea since sliced bread.

OldCrone - "If a transwoman has a GRC, so is legally female, are they still counted as a 'transgender prisoner'? "

No - they are counted as a women.

This is why all the stats are in such a mess and why it is not possible to identify and count crimes by males who identify as women and happen to have a GRC. They are not counted as "transgender prisoners". They are included in with "women prisoners".

Meanwhile, the only "evidence" required by a GRC Panel is changing your name from Trevor to Tiffany on a f&cking gas bill - or by request to the Prison Governor.

This joke has gone on for more than long enough - #RepealTheGRA !

I have said this on other threads.

I like Rory Stewart. He is very entertaining and I am quite sure that he believes what he is saying at the exact moment he says it but his history of being creative with the truth is a matter of record.

On the other hand, I don't much like Steve Gillan, General Secretary of the Prison Officers Association, but on the basis of dealings I've had with him in the past, I do respect him. He is uncompromising in his duty to protect his members and if a transgender prisoner had attacked a female prison officer, he'd be raising Cain and he wouldn't care who he upset in the process. On this matter, he has been silent and that would be uncharacteristic of him...unless, of course, there was nothing to tell.

This is all very strange. The Parliamentary reply to Baroness McDonagh does not list New Hall prison, which is where Karen White was held, according to several newspaper reports.

This article from Nov 2018 says "The lag, born David Thompson, sexually assaulted two female prison guards during his sentence for raping two women".

An earlier article from September said "A transgender lag carried out four sex attacks at a women’s prison while on remand for rape" and goes on to say that White "admits two sex attacks at the jail between September and November 2017. A judge ordered the remaining two to lie on file."

So it looks like White was convicted of two sexual assaults at New Hall and two others (on prison guards?) were not prosecuted.

Yet none of this info showed up in the answer from Parliament. Are both the newspaper articles and Rory Stewart mistaken?

It is strange. I absolutely do not agree with locating transwomen in women's prisons and the decision to allow Karen White admission to HMP New Hall was frankly insane. However, even Fair Play For Women - a source I trust considerably more than Rory Stewart and The Sun put together - makes no mention of any prison staff even though it does refer to the assaults on female prisoners by Karen White.

Some clarification from Rory would be welcome but I don't think he does clarification somehow. He says what he says and moves on. That's not helpful to anyone.

This is all very strange. The Parliamentary reply to Baroness McDonagh does not list New Hall prison, which is where Karen White was held, according to several newspaper reports.

If Karen White has a GRC it would explain the omission of his assaults, although the newspaper articles imply that he doesn't. But the rules around disclosure of whether someone has a GRC might just mean that the papers can't mention it.

The main purpose of the GRA appears to be to put women in danger and for it to be impossible to discuss this. It should be repealed.

Parliamentary response has been updated to include New Hall prison / Karen White. The total is now 7 sexual assaults on female prisoners in England and Wales. They still maintain there were no assaults on prison guards.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8303753/Transgender-inmates-carried-seven-sex-attacks-women-jail.html