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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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Datun · 05/04/2020 15:21

OP, are you aware that at least 85% of transwomen keep their penis? (stats are from a transgender organisation.)

And is this a woman?

Datun · 05/04/2020 15:22

Hmm i'll try and attach the photo again

What constitutes modern day feminism
katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:22

Whatever u say dude

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Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 15:23

So what’s the difference between sex and gender then

Sex is your biology - and along with that secondary sexual characteristics. It is genetically coded.

Gender is a set of behaviours and roles that are expected of men & women......girls and boys........some traits are actively repressed in males, whilst being nurtured in females, and vice versa....depending on culture, society and background.

Liberation movements seek to break down rigid gender roles and expressions - so that the individual can fulfil their true talents, skills, traits.

Thelnebriati · 05/04/2020 15:23

Actual women have too much on their plate to come up with this kind of twaddle right now.

  • how to keep the kids indoors and entertained
  • how to manage sanpro
  • how to feed the family
  • how to get enough nappies and milk
  • how to manage when one family member returns from work and you only have one bathroom
FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 15:25

I'm thinking of collecting the random responses in one post. Like those cutesy 'In this house we...' decorative plaques people have hanging in their kitchen.

I0NA · 05/04/2020 15:25

@FloralBunting excellent summary, although you forgot the A* in GCSE English, which is very important. And that they also worked with abused children. Who I’m sure are a totally separate group from the ‘trans’ children and youth.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:25

My five year old is definitely more intellectual then u and most of the transphobic feminists I have come across

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RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 15:25

Whatever u say dude

Your intelligence, clarity and considered well thought out responses are knocking us sideways.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:26

Nope most of our trans kids have been subjected to some form of abuse

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:27

You can’t educate those who have closed their minds

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RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 15:27

My five year old is definitely more intellectual then u and most of the transphobic feminists I have come across

Perhaps you should ask your five year old to answer the questions and debate the issues raised in response to your opening post then.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 15:27

How do you define abuse, BeKatie?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 15:28

Oo, katien, that was a bit mild. Taking a run up to more swears, are you? They will probably sting you a bit because proper ladies don't swear, but we believe in you!

I0NA · 05/04/2020 15:28

Nope most of our trans kids have been subjected to some form of abuse

That’s interesting, please explain more.

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 15:30

You can’t educate those who have closed their minds

That certainly applies to you katienlisa552.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:30

And how I do know your not a man

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 15:31

You're
(Returns to chicken basting)

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 15:32

And how I do know your not a man

I don't know how do you know I'm not a man?

I0NA · 05/04/2020 15:32

Katie I’d like to understand more about how most of the children who think they are trans have been abused.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:32

A lot of them have experienced sexual abuse

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SipChampagneLikeWeThirstay · 05/04/2020 15:32

I think your question has been answered, OP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 15:33

The people I work with are some of the most rationale people I have ever met and they believe that sex can change

LOL. Right you are.

SipChampagneLikeWeThirstay · 05/04/2020 15:34

I’m not sure ‘your’ ‘rationale’, OP

I0NA · 05/04/2020 15:35

You say a lot of them have been sexually abused ? Gosh that’s terrible, no wonder they are very unhappy and mixed up.