Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women! You're just not pulling your weight

127 replies

SunsetBeetch · 03/04/2020 12:13

Some really vile misogyny here from Jane Fae. "Enjoy".

Women! You're just not pulling your weight
Women! You're just not pulling your weight
OP posts:
LangClegTheBeardedVulture · 03/04/2020 14:58

Oestrogen can be very harmful to the cardiovascular system in older men.

KaronAVyrus · 03/04/2020 15:12

Fae is 63 ......

Chipperfish · 03/04/2020 15:39

Oh so feminine Fae again
I dont have access to UK figures (cant find them online and not sure if they are being broken down this way atm)

But Im in DK and there is a very good official breakdown of infection rates/deaths etc released every day from the Public health ministry.

So this graph is not UK figures but Danish rates of infection broken down by age and sex. Hot off the press at 13.00hrs today 3/4/20. Its worth saying that all these positive test results represent the positive tests from a population of people who have COVID 19 symptoms bad enough to warrant examination by a medic and a test to be ordered. So it doesn't represent the general population infection rates, just positive results from those showing symptoms severe enough to be investigated. Its been pretty similar every day for the last weeks.

Quick translation guide Køn =sex, Kvinder = Females , shown in red and Mænd = Males, represented in blue

So you can see there are two different groups predominantly affected and they differ. On the male side the highest numbers of symptomatic positive test results lie in the age groups 50-59, 60-69 and 70-79 with greater numbers of positive tests in this age range that younger males. This fits with the picture of older males being more susceptible to developing severe symptoms of COVID19 than their female same age peers, that has been seen in other areas and demographics.

But the other group affected is on the female side - the greatest number of positive tests for symptomatic patients are found in the 40- 49 female group, with very high numbers at ages 50-59 as well. And numbers of positive testing symptomatic female patients are double that of male patients in both the the 20-29 age group and 30-39 age group also being represented. So we have a second population with a lot of positives, and its not the same as the first - and that is a group of younger women with higher numbers being affected than their male peers of the same age.

(I will note here that due to the ID system in DK which involves your birth date as part of an official identity number being used in taking and tracing test results we can say that in this collection of data none of these women (or men) with COVID19 are being coy and lying about their age while contacting the medical services for Corona symptoms)

Now we have some limited evidence from other areas that females seem less susceptible to developing severe symptoms than males so what is the explanation for this high number of positive symptomatic Corona cases in the female population within a younger age group than the males?

My theory for this is that the preponderance of cases in the female younger age group represents not a particular susceptibility to the illness but increased exposure of that population overall because they are the ones doing the lions share of the work that brings them into closest contact with the sick, eg the nursing, the intensive care, the staff in care homes who provide personal care, and those assisting vulnerable people who are self isolating.
Its been a shock here that as of today there are 224 workers from the health service who have caught COVID 19 due to their work, and great concern over supplies and quality of PPE available for the health service - and I guarantee you a lot of them will be the nurses and care assistants in closest contact with the patients who, even in egalitarian Denmark tend to be overwhelmingly female.

TL: DR - Oh just fuck off Fae and go do something useful.
Identity will not change reality or your susceptibility to COVID19

Women! You're just not pulling your weight
Chipperfish · 03/04/2020 15:41

Oh sorry, rest of translation for the graph
X axis - Number of COVID19 cases
Y axis - Age groups

RoyalCorgi · 03/04/2020 15:44

Those posts from Fae really show the Dunning-Kruger effect at its most glaring, don't they? Thick as mince but imagining that they are better-informed and smarter than women who have more intelligence in their little finger than Fae does in their entire, deeply unattractive, head.

AnyOldSpartabix · 03/04/2020 15:48

File under:

"Screenshots I will send to the BBC every time they invite this individual to speak"

I know this was from page 1, but Barracker, my admiration for you goes higher and higher.

But what a deeply unpleasant, arrogant, abusive-male-style personality Fae has. So odd that such a sickening misogynist would want to transition.

Reading that makes my skin crawl.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2020 16:09

My theory for this is that the preponderance of cases in the female younger age group represents not a particular susceptibility to the illness but increased exposure of that population overall because they are the ones doing the lions share of the work that brings them into closest contact with the sick, eg the nursing, the intensive care, the staff in care homes who provide personal care, and those assisting vulnerable people who are self isolating.

Yes I think that's entirely plausible.

WrathofFaeKIopp · 03/04/2020 16:14

Fae hates women.

Fae fansplains about everything these days.
Climate change, Coronavirus you name it, Fae is an armchair expert.
Must be all those years climbing
the 'easy-up' career ladder.

Women know your place.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2020 16:19

Let's dispose of that last one first. No you won't. There are some illnesses where personal characteristics matter: and in time we may develop specific targeted drugs matched to the genetic profile of the individual.

But that's not the case here.

I'm finding it quite amusing how Fae speaks with such assumed authority on an issue Fae has no knowledge of. No one actually has this knowledge at the moment. Even people who have a clue what they're talking about.

terryleather · 03/04/2020 16:50

Time for some Andrea Dworkin...

Women! You're just not pulling your weight
MrsDoylesTeaBags · 03/04/2020 17:00

Fae's Twitter thread makes no sense. accuses women of being 'coy' about our ages when going to hospital with a serious illness, but also feels like their actual birth sex is of no consequence to the outcome or treatment. A master class in cognitive dissonance

SistemaAddict · 03/04/2020 17:21

Christ, does everything have to be about them? Just goes to show the kind of person they are by making a pandemic all about them Angry

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 17:46

What sort of person hates the female sex then desperately wants to be one

The sort that doesn't see women as distinctive, fully autonomous human beings...? Rather as heavily gendered caricatures that one can easily mimic. Flicks hair and affects flirtatious sidewise glance......a lady never tells her true age......

ThinEndoftheWedge · 03/04/2020 17:49

Man.

Not a good one at that.

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 17:50

Most nurses are women, and are paid less than medical doctors (predominantly men). Most care workers are women, who are generally paid little more than the minimum wage

And of course it is predominantly women doing the unpaid caring work too...of the sort that doesn't permit one to indulge in being ill or feeling a little off colour

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 17:53

Trans women MUST declare their natal birth because getting blood from the wrong gender is a risk

You'd get as much blood out of a 'gender', as you would out of stone.

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 17:56

When hospital facilities are swamped it is as much as clinicians and medical staff can do to triage and deal with the main symptoms presenting...let alone start playing stupid gender crit games about the "correct" gender of those presenting

The only games being played are by the gender precious. It's simply a case of: male or female? Anything else is wasting everyone's time, as well as testing their patience. Narcissisim or what?

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 17:58

But also jobs. Again. Because in many cultures, those medical staff most involved with intimate care...intubation, f'rinstance

...are women........

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 18:02

Oh my. Perhaps when all this is over it will turn out that trans women and menopausal cis women were the least susceptible to this illness

Oh my! What is certain is that you don't get any menopausal transwomen.

Inconsistency alert: It is predominantly older, post menopausal women who are at risk, as it is generally older people - male or female who are vulnerable.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 03/04/2020 18:05

The logic of their argument around blood is that all cis women volunteering blood should be forcibly tested for pregnancy first.

I don't know about blood donation, but women are asked to take a pregnancy test for many medical tests and procedures. In general HCPs tend to prioritise your physical health over your ego.

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 18:07

And given how triage is likely to work, perhaps the real message is: time for anyone who ever goes all coy when talking about their age to start being honest

What fantasy world does this person inhabit? If you're ill and are admitted to hospital, you have more important things to think about than being "coy" about your age.

Justhadathought · 03/04/2020 18:09

The logic of their argument around blood is that all cis women volunteering blood should be forcibly tested for pregnancy first

Yeh! strap em' down and force a pregnancy test on them...

Pregnancy is detected by simple and routine blood testing. No need for force.

Methinks Jane is feeling rather vulnerable...being an elderly person themselves.

CaptSkippy · 03/04/2020 18:18

I think the current theory is that women's immune systems are on average better equiped to deal with a corona virus.

I guess Fae just can't handle that idea.To him women need to lose out to men in every aspect of life for him to be happy.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/04/2020 18:45

Methinks Jane is feeling rather vulnerable...being an elderly person themselves.*

If Jane is 63 as mentioned upthread, that's just middle aged. No special status.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2020 18:46

The only games being played are by the gender precious. It's simply a case of: male or female? Anything else is wasting everyone's time, as well as testing their patience. Narcissisim or what?

Yep. It's the TRA trademark reversal. The more outrageous the bigger the thrill in saying it.