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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women! You're just not pulling your weight

127 replies

SunsetBeetch · 03/04/2020 12:13

Some really vile misogyny here from Jane Fae. "Enjoy".

Women! You're just not pulling your weight
Women! You're just not pulling your weight
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Helenshielding · 03/04/2020 12:49

Every time I've had my arse wiped or my body washed or my blood taken or any kind of non doctor care in hospital, it's been a woman. Not because I'm female, but because the ward had no female nurses or HCAs...

terryleather · 03/04/2020 13:01

Fish gotta swim
Birds gotta fly
Narcs need to keep farting out opinions to get narc supply...

TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 03/04/2020 13:06

Well haven't several women been murdered during lock up...

that's our fault too - our 'eggshell skulls' according to Fae

goingoverground · 03/04/2020 13:07

77% of the NHS workforce is female.
90% of registered nurses.
75% of radiographers.
45% of doctors overall but 55% of younger doctors are female.

About 75% of teachers are women.

85% of care workers are female.

koshkatt · 03/04/2020 13:09

Is he saying that women pretend that they are trans age? Confused.

Vaginandtonic · 03/04/2020 13:09

Christ Fae does talk some shit doesn't Fae?

DickKerrLadies · 03/04/2020 13:20

Christ Fae does talk some shit doesn't Fae?

Yes Fae does.

Winesalot · 03/04/2020 13:27

Oh my god! I'd forgotten about the eggshell heads....

Like yeah ... women are more likely to lie on a medical document than a transgender person insisting they are their chosen sex ....

goingoverground · 03/04/2020 13:27

Is he saying that women pretend that they are trans age?

Well, even if that were true, you can't change your date of birth on your medical records, only your gender.

Fae might want to google sex differences, blood count and respiratory system so Fae can decide whether they want medics to know whether they have a Y chromosome or not.

TopBitchoftheWitches · 03/04/2020 13:27

Well, the person who wrote those tweets is a bit of cunt, aren't they?

Vile.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/04/2020 13:29

It fascinates me how this person just cannot contain their seething hatred for women. Doesn't matter what the topic is, the misogyny always leaks out somehow.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2020 13:30

Pure trolling. Everyone should ignore Fae. That would piss Fae off.

DickKerrLadies · 03/04/2020 13:30

Is saying that women pretend that they are trans age?

Hey Fae, it's literal violence to suggest that women's real ages (those that they identify as, obviously) are a 'lie'...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/04/2020 13:31

Fae might want to google sex differences, blood count and respiratory system so Fae can decide whether they want medics to know whether they have a Y chromosome or not.

Indeed.

FlockofGulls · 03/04/2020 13:32

OMG she can just fuck off to the far side of fuck and then fuck off some more.

Most nurses are women, and are paid less than medical doctors (predominantly men). Most care workers are women, who are generally paid little more than the minimum wage.

What is Jane Fae doing? Is she doing enough? Is she pulling her weight?

koshkatt · 03/04/2020 13:36

She?

Hey Fae, it's literal violence to suggest that women's real ages (those that they identify as, obviously) are a 'lie'...

Indeed, what's good for the gander is good for the goose...

Binterested · 03/04/2020 13:41

Honestly not she.

KaronAVyrus · 03/04/2020 13:53

I think Fae is suggesting that people often pretend to be something they’re not

(Cough, cough)

peepholepringle · 03/04/2020 14:00

Fae never stops with the misogyny. What a joke.

Marieo · 03/04/2020 14:07

That's true, the majority of teachers, care workers, nurses (and other medical professionals), nursery staff and retail staff are men aren't they.

SunsetBeetch · 03/04/2020 14:14

The full thing.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1246003788290408454?s=19

Scratch the surface of a gender crit blethering on about "science" or "stats" and you will rapidly discover an irrational, ascientific twerp.

A bit of a thread looking at the gender crit morbid take on #coronavirus mortality rates.

I guess i've known this a long time...first up, when looking at stats on what is (and what is not) happening wrt sex, sexuality and porn...

And more recently with the profusion of gc's in the supposed skeptic community....the Jarjar Blinkered tendency...

The main issue is correlation and, more subtly, covariance: the tendency of two quantities to exhibit correlated change or movement (positive or negative).

There are many real world quantities that can be seen to covary and...

...stats 101: because multiple factors tend to load onto one another, the key job for a statistician is to distinguish between carious scenarios:

A causes B
B causes A
C causes A and B

And...always possible...

...we've just picked up a temporary random fluctuation in the data

Which leads us to the gender crit stupid award of the week, which is their picking up on the single observation that more cis men than cis women seem to be dying of #coronavirus and therefore this is some tremendous "gotcha" for trans women...

Far, far too many stupid posts of the form that "#coronavirus won't be taken in" and even stupider, as i saw one or two commentators suggest this week "you'll have to admit your 'true' gender so you can be treated properly".

Let's dispose of that last one first. No you won't. There are some illnesses where personal characteristics matter: and in time we may develop specific targeted drugs matched to the genetic profile of the individual.

But that's not the case here.

When hospital facilities are swamped it is as much as clinicians and medical staff can do to triage and deal with the main symptoms presenting...let alone start playing stupid gender crit games about the "correct" gender of those presenting.

The leap from "men die differently" to "therefore men must be treated differently" is bonkers. And what sort of response would be implied anyway?

Do they mean that, as men are more likely to die of #coronavirus, resources should be channeled towards male patients?

Surely not

Though it would be a self-own similar to the one they managed with blood transfusion. "Trans women MUST declare their natal birth because getting blood from the wrong gender is a risk".

Nope. Though there is an elevated risk to men of blood transfused from pregnant cis women

The logic of their argument around blood is that all cis women volunteering blood should be forcibly tested for pregnancy first.

Yet somehow they are not too keen on that...

But back to #coronavirus. There are a host of reasons why more men die of a thing.

More men die of combat. This does not mean women are somehow invulnerable to bombs and bullets. Just more men tend to be involved in same.

What we do know of #coronavirus is...there are first and foremost risk factors related to pre-existing illness. Respiratory conditions for one, many of which, historically, have been more associated with men because they were clustered in certain industries.

Like mining.

Behaviours, also, play a part. Like smoking, which we know to be culturally highly skewed in some populations.

But also jobs. Again. Because in many cultures, those medical staff most involved with intimate care...intubation, f'rinstance...may be (male) doctors.

And attitude to risk. Like not stopping work when you feel ill. Or not alerting others to how you are feeling.

There is no single answer here. The actual numbers vary massively from culture to culture. And factors will covary....so picking out which one is prime is difficult.

But hey! Maybe one answer is that cis women are not pulling their weight in the crisis? Or they are being excluded from jobs and positions that put them in max danger? Who knows.

Certainly, at other times, such trends might be taken as evidence of workplace discrimination...

And that is even BEFORE you get on to biological factors. Which are rarely pure or singular, but usually interact with behavioural and environmental factors.

Perhaps there is something about "biological maleness" that counts. But what? Genes? Chromosomes? Hormones?

There is some evidence that hormonal mix changes how susceptible you are to some illnesses. Evidence, too, that oestrogen HRT may be more protective than natural

Oh my. Perhaps when all this is over it will turn out that trans women and menopausal cis women were the least susceptible to this illness.

Once more: who knows. A single data observation of gender difference tells you...next to nothing.

And one last point, for those commentators suggesting trans folk will "have to" declare their real gender. It is not clear how this would affect outcome...whereas one factor definitely does.

And that is age.

And who more often conceals "real age"?

Cis women.

And given how triage is likely to work, perhaps the real message is: time for anyone who ever goes all coy when talking about their age to start being honest.

That is all.

/fin

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SunsetBeetch · 03/04/2020 14:17

And this is verging on dangerously deluded.

twitter.com/bethgranter/status/1246010809156882432?s=19

I read that the theory is that oestrogen helps recovery from coronavirus (tested in mice). Many trans women take oestrogen right? Therefore might have similar response to cis women anyway.

twitter.com/JaneFae/status/1246013309813436416?s=19

i've also seen more complex stuff, suggesting that naturally produced oestrogen is less helpful than HRT provided.

But equally, i've seen suggestions that this varies by illness.

The bottom line is: it is really complicated and not to be deduced from a few limited data points

I mean, related...and good example of how complex covariance is.

Men are more likely to die from #coronavirus.

Men are also more likely to present with cardiovascular disease than women (7 to 10 years earlier).

Cardiovascular disease gives a lift of 33% in #COVID19 mortality

So-o...are men dying because they are more likely to have cardio conditions?

Are they more likely to have cardio conditions because they are men?

And if the latter, what aspect of masculinity leads to that outcome?

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SunsetBeetch · 03/04/2020 14:17

"My oestrogen is the best oestrogen" 😆

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Ingridla · 03/04/2020 14:43

I'm blocked! He didn't even try to argue with me, horrible old fucker

Kantastic · 03/04/2020 14:58

The logic of their argument around blood is that all cis women volunteering blood should be forcibly tested for pregnancy first.

what the fuck.

I didn't think malignant narcissism on this level was even possible, how could anyone think that this is a better plan than transwomen acknowledging their maleness on medical documents?

Note the use of "forcible" here too. Fae has, in the past, openly acknowledged their interest in pornography featuring extreme violence against women. I don't know if I'm allowed to make the obvious inference connecting their word choice and their fetishes, so I will just point out that "compulsory" would be a much more logical word to use.

Particularly as blood donors are volunteers so if women were subjected to "force" upon volunteering they simply wouldn't volunteer. It makes one wonder whether Fae is imagining a scenario where the blood donations are also "forcible."

Overall, A++++ human being that I'd be 100% happy to share a bathroom with. Biscuit

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