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Labour reject Karen Ingala-Smith's membership application

69 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 27/03/2020 12:00

James Kirkup in The Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-bizarre-decision-to-bar-the-founder-of-counting-dead-women

"In a letter dated March 24th, the Governance and Legal Unit at Labour HQ informed Ingala-Smith that she was not welcome in the party:

‘The information brought to our attention is that you have engaged in conduct online that may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility based on gender identity.

Your application for membership of the Labour party has therefore been rejected.’

The letter does not observe any due process by telling Ingala-Smith what the evidence used against her might be, of course. So no one beyond Labour HQ knows what Ingala-Smith has done to ‘demonstrate hostility based on gender identity’, whatever that means."

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RoyalCorgi · 27/03/2020 12:07

What idiots they are. Karen Ingala-Smith would be such an amazing asset to the Labour Party. She's worth 100 Rebecca Long-Baileys or Angela Rayners.

GCAcademic · 27/03/2020 12:08

Labour ban founder of Counting Dead Women for being able to define who she is counting. Pointless getting angry about this, the party has become the stuff of satire and is making itself more irrelevant by the day.

Therollockingrogue · 27/03/2020 12:09

Disgraceful

AnyOldSpartabix · 27/03/2020 12:13

Thanks again to James Kirkup for another blistering article.

A political party turning away women like Karen Ingala-Smith is a party overrun with men with pygmy instincts for politics and human understanding.

Where from here? That is the real question.

TBHno · 27/03/2020 12:15

Didn't she defend say that Labour were the best party for women in her recent MN webchat? Sad

They don't deserve her Angry

terryleather · 27/03/2020 12:20

As gender identity is not a protected characteristic how can Labour justify this stance?

Labour seem determined to remain unelectable to anyone who lives in the world of material realities - but what does that matter when they can remain sanctimoniously ideologically pure.

Fucking eejits!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/03/2020 12:35

They don't want to be elected. That would need votes from people with impure thoughts, and it's not worth it.

Not enough eyerolls in the whole world for this. I wonder if things will improve under Starmer, if he takes over.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/03/2020 12:37

Actually, that's a thought. Given that the new leader is in next week, IIRC, is the Gen Sec acting fast now? I saw another person on Twitter whose application had been turned down for saying last year on social media that he would be voting Green - and that was during a period when he wasn't a Labour Party member.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 27/03/2020 13:12

They don't want to be elected.

This!!! They are irrelevant, sadly!

StarintheMorning · 27/03/2020 13:53

Incandescent over this. It’s spurred me on to clean the kitchen, so it has been positive in some way!

Labour member all of my adult life. I’ve been hanging on, although spoilt my ballot at election, to see if things get any better under Starmer.

However I’m not sure I can bring myself to vote for them ever again.
I keep hearing that the only way to change organisations is from the inside, but I’ve had enough now. I am right on the point of cancelling membership and sending what I would normally spend and a bit more to Karen.

Fallingirl · 27/03/2020 14:02

It is becoming increasingly clear that Labour is determined to be the main male-entitlement party in the uk.

Whenever the term “gender-identity” is used, just substitute with “male-entitlement”.

BeetrootRocks · 27/03/2020 14:06

What was pygmy instincts supposed to say?

ListeningQuietly · 27/03/2020 14:17

When the former editor of the Torygraph makes more sense than Labour HQ you know that the world has turned upside down.

Thelnebriati · 27/03/2020 14:42

Labour has a problem; its not Socialism, its neo liberal identity politics.

CheriLittlebottom · 27/03/2020 14:47

Absolutely brilliant article. Nothing, however fucking stupid, that the labour party do surprises me any more though.

Lottapianos · 27/03/2020 14:50

Absolute fuckimg idiots. Dont know what else to say

Justhadathought · 27/03/2020 15:02

The Labour party has become an irrelevance. Jeremy Corbyn has, even, now descended to claiming that the financial measures put in place to support the population, as a result of the coronavirus epidemic, are a 'victory' for Socialism and the Labour party.

What on earth has happened to the Labour party? The SNP seems gripped by a similar madness too.

Halfeatentoast · 27/03/2020 15:06

The message from Labour here is, yet again, this: No women, you are not allowed to talk about women's issues.

R0wantrees · 27/03/2020 15:08

DANA VITALOSOVA 4W article:

'The Striking Similarities Between the Treatment of Modern Gender Critical Feminists and British Suffragettes'
(extract)
"Women’s political homelessness
This year, Labour members of parliament Lisa Nandy, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Dawn Butler and others have signed a 12-point pledge card by the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights that also describes some organisations including Woman’s Place UK as “trans-exclusionary hate groups”. Labour MPs have also pledged to “Accept that trans women are women, trans men are men, and non-binary people are non-binary.”

Beside MPs, 3400 Labour party members have signed this pledge or supported gender ideology in a different way, as have members of other major British political parties, namely the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, and the Conservatives. Thus, women who support sex-based rights for women find themselves politically homeless.

British Suffragettes faced the same issue. The most famous of them, Emmeline Pankhurst, first got disillusioned after joining the Liberal party. In her biography of the Suffragette, June Purvis writes:

“Emmeline had never forgiven the Liberal statesman William Ewart Gladstone for his opposition to women’s suffrage and was only too glad to sever her links with the Liberal Party which she saw as a men’s party that used the talents of Liberal women for its own ends.”
Disappointed with the Liberals, she joined the newly established Labour party, “hoping that it would be a vehicle for improving the many disadvantages suffered by poor women and, in particular, that it would advocate the parliamentary vote for her sex.”

Again, she was disenchanted as, with the exception of Keir Hardie, Labourist men were, on the whole, opposed to women’s suffrage.

Her disillusionment with Liberals and Labourists led her to disengage from both. As leader of the Women’s Social and Political Union (WSPU), she demanded WSPU members to not be affiliated with any political party." (continues)

4w.pub/the-striking-similarities-between-the-treatment-of-modern-gender-critical-feminists-and-british-suffragettes/

TedsFederationRep · 27/03/2020 15:09

No room in the Labour Party for Trevor Phillips and now no room for Karen Ingala Smith either.

That corner it is painting itself into is getting smaller and smaller.

terryleather · 27/03/2020 15:26

Whenever the term “gender-identity” is used, just substitute with “male-entitlement”.

So much this. So fucking much this!

Needmoresleep · 27/03/2020 15:30

Kirkuk’s clarity is exceptional, and he is right.

Do senior Labour figures read the Spectator?

R0wantrees · 27/03/2020 15:39

5/3/2020 Maya Oppenheim for The Independent:
'Names of women murdered by men in last year read out in parliament
‘This is unfortunately not a number that goes down, but is in fact a number that is going up,’ says Jess Phillips'
(extract)

"The latest Femicide Census revealed 149 women were killed by 147 men in the UK in 2018 – with almost two thirds of the victims killed by their current or ex-partner.

Frontline service providers raised concerns about the figures and argued government cuts to domestic abuse services are putting women’s lives at risk.

The annual study, which started in 2009, tracks the numbers of women killed by men to show the killings are not isolated incidents.

Karen Ingala Smith, chief executive of Nia, the charity behind the census which delivers services for women and children who have experienced male violence, said: “There is a high degree of normalisation of men’s violence against women and no end of excuses or rationales assumed and extended to perpetrators often without foundation.” (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-murdered-men-femicide-jess-phillips-parliament-a9378056.html

MN webchat:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3838243-Webchat-with-Femicide-Census-co-founder-Karen-Ingala-Smith-Wednesday-March-4-at-1pm

TeiTetua · 27/03/2020 15:56

Ah, if only she'd called her organization Counting Dead Not-men. Then Labour would have been happy to see her.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/03/2020 15:58

Labour is broken.