Labour reject Karen Ingala-Smith's membership application

[MrsSnippyPants]

James Kirkup in The Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-bizarre-decision-to-bar-the-founder-of-counting-dead-women

"In a letter dated March 24th, the Governance and Legal Unit at Labour HQ informed Ingala-Smith that she was not welcome in the party:

‘The information brought to our attention is that you have engaged in conduct online that may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility based on gender identity.

Your application for membership of the Labour party has therefore been rejected.’

The letter does not observe any due process by telling Ingala-Smith what the evidence used against her might be, of course. So no one beyond Labour HQ knows what Ingala-Smith has done to ‘demonstrate hostility based on gender identity’, whatever that means."

KS needs to put together the best Front Bench to hold Johnson to account.Inner Labour factions are dust in that situation

Honestly! Labour is finished - for a long, long time.....Any hope that Kier Starmer is going to ride to the rescue is mis-placed, in my honest view. And any serious belief he is going to turn the TRA ideological capture on its head is deluded. Labour cannot be trusted.

And the crisis that is coronavirus - and the government's fulsome response - will further weaken any credibility that Labour has or ever had. Even Jeremy Corbyn is reduced to claiming the government's response as his own victory. Only the evangelically faithful still believe. Kier Starmer is tainted by association.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-leadership-race-keir-starmers-scorched-earth-plan-to-roast-left-zthbw2dqz

Starmer promising a scorched earth policy on the loony left.

If you think that RLB and LN will get on Keir's front bench based on their Corbyn era performance I think and hope that you are in for a shock.

I won't be in for a shock at all. The Labour Party is so far removed from its traditional voter base and its roots that I'm long past caring what it does.

It is a dead party. Keir Starmer stood by and watched it die and did nothing to save it while there was still a chance. He wasn't the only one, to be fair, but he is deluded if he thinks that it can be resurrected now.

He'll offer RLB and LN places in his shadow cabinet as a nod to unity and as an attempt to appease Momentum in the hope that it buys him some time to establish his leadership but it won't make a blind bit of difference.

From The Times article.

Rebecca Long Bailey, the left-wing leadership candidate, and Lisa Nandy, his other rival, are expected to be offered jobs but will be kept out of Starmer’s core team

If the Labour party can't recover where is the opposition party to come from? I don't think even the Conservatives welcome a situation where there is no effective opposition party.

I honestly don't know. No one in their right mind would wish to live in a one party state and yet, that's effectively what we are at present - CV19 aside.

I try to console myself by believing that sensible traditional Labour still exists in communities and that a proper grassroots movement will grow again but it would have to start a new party from scratch and that might take too long.

Starmer promising a scorched earth policy on the loony left

Do you have a share token? Or could you copy and paste, please?

If the Labour party can't recover where is the opposition party to come from? I don't think even the Conservatives welcome a situation where there is no effective opposition party

The problem is that the Labour party is utterly riven. And Momentum now have such a grip on local CLPs and councils - having de-selected long standing MPs/councillors, and inserted their own members.They are like a crazed, one eyed cult.The 'old' Labour party is buried underneath.

I really don't know how to go about getting past/rid of Momentum, but the party is going nowhere until that happens.

Share token

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/07586f70-7019-11ea-95ac-727c046e7b5d?shareToken=b90af0868bc24017a58da59e1c53b1c6

Thanks for the share token, especially for this bit:
a result deemed so damaging to some on the left that last week members of Corbyn’s office briefly discussed whether to extend his leadership by invoking the chaos caused by the the coronavirus.

I snorted at that bit. Perhaps counseling would help? Or someone could hand out binkies to clutch?

Thanks for the share token.

Angela Raynor likely to be deputy leader.....that in itself does not bode well for those of us keen to see the idea of Self ID consigned to the long grass.

What is likely to happen is that the next decade or so is taken up with a monumental struggle for control of the party. The Momentum fringes of the party have already taken control of many aspects...they'll not go quietly.

The Labour Party is dying a death with all this. Is that the plan? What fools they are - they obviously know nothing about the history of the party. It is so very different to the party of fairness and equality when I was a child.

Labour are utterly irrelevant and will be be for years to come, so it doesn't really matter what stupid things they continue to do.

True. I just can’t believe what they are now. My dad was on the local committees - all the town ‘businessmen’ were - lawyers, business owners, architects, vets, engineers - people who thought society needed to be fair and keep families and workers from being in need (house above their heads, food on the table). Now I don’t think any of these would be welcome.

Those people are still there.

They just need a party worthy of them.

I think anyone is welcome if they're willing to lie, and good at doing so convincingly. I don't think that's a good way to run a party.

(I really do mean anyone. Proven awful human being with a history of mistreating others? Probably fine at the moment as long as you mouth the correct platitudes.)

Angela Raynor likely to be deputy leader.....that in itself does not bode well for those of us keen to see the idea of Self ID consigned to the long grass.

The influence that TRAs have within Labour Party (as with all parties) goes back a long way.

Vulvamort's 'Thread of Threads' is a very important reference to the 2003 GRA debates & roles that MPs took:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1177699186361458688.html

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233421-Home-Affairs-Committee-Hate-crime-enquiry-Newspaper-editors-interviewed

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237268-James-Kirkup-article-Why-are-some-MPs-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate

Glad to hear it. My grandfather was a labour man - he refused to accept dole money when he had to give up work because of health issues (related to him being a soldier in WW2) because he said there was people worse off than him.