Women who sell or exchange sex and coronavirus

[AnnaClick]

Hi everyone. I’m Anna and I’m one of the people in Scotland working on the urgent task of making sure women involved in all parts of the sex industry or selling or exchanging sex are able to get access to support and information and financial help right now. We know this is a really difficult and scary time and we are urgently trying to get in touch with women. We need to hear what you need and what are the best ways to get that support and help to you. We also want to make sure that decision makers know this right now too. If you are involved then it would be great to hear from you, or if you know of someone then please pass on our info. I’m available at www.click.scot/voice/ or [email protected] I’ll also be on our online chat here www.click.scot/contact/ Tuesday 11-1 and Wednesday from 2-4pm. Our online support is also available every week day from 11am-3pm – you can check out twitter for up-to-date online support times @click_scotland Thanks.

@florafox
I am not at liberty to discuss that.

She was found to have defamed Rachel Moran

Oh so she’ll have no evidence about that FWR members dig

She’s just a defamer

Fair dos

Of course you are not @GayeDalton. But fortunately we can talk about it all we like, even when it is uncomfortable for some people.

I can see why organisations that raise awareness of male violence, highlight the links between different forms and campaign for improvised services for women affected by them make you really really angry.

@IONA
Of course you may if you wish, and I am not in the least uncomfortable with you doing so, but aren’t there already a couple of threads dedicated to that?

I would recommend sex workers around the world to take similar initiatives. This is the time to DEMAND full human status in our own right:
www.thesun.ie/news/5236562/coronavirus-ireland-sex-workers-financial-help-govt-ask/

@GayeDalton Click is being run out of SACRO, so I'm confused by the email address. However, Click is neutral on the wider debate around NM and other approaches although it works with partner orgs that are NOT neutral. (Personally, I don't see how any service delivery to sex workers can be neutral on the wider issues, but there you go.)

@GayeDalton ScarlettBlaize I take it you hold the view that sex workers have less right to survival than others, as is your right.

No, and if I were you I'd be extremely careful about making further defamatory comments.

Deciding to donate limited funds to support one group rather than another does not mean that I believe they have 'less right to survival' - what a stupid and offensive comment.

Here is a very simple way to understand it. The women who have worked hard and invested time and effort and money into becoming personal trainers, hairdressers, lighting designers, beauticians, etc. have valuable and worthwhile skills that benefit others. Their livelihoods are currently threatened. I believe it is worth donating to support their ability to continue to use their skills and training once this crisis has passed.

I do not want to give money so that a woman can continue being a prostitute. There are many companies currently desperate to recruit including many supermarkets. If this pandemic becomes the motivation that gets women out of prostitution and into a proper job then that would be great. I'm certainly not going to fund them to carry on being prostitutes.

I do not share your view, however at the point of writing it happens that I have contributed a sum of money to assist sex workers, and precisely 10 times as much to assist other self employed.

I take it then that you believe other self-employed people have less right to survival than prostitutes.

This reminds me of luxury beliefs and purity spirals.

Woke middle class people defending the “ rights” of other women to be abused through prostitution. Or is it defending the rights of men to abuse women through prostitution ? I can never quite remember....

You're right Iona.

'If you don't validate x group's choices your literally want them dead.'

Por que no los dos?

@LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett
Click is, to use their own words "a partnership" you will find the members here:
www.click.scot/who/
Sacro deal with sex work through "Another Way" who avoid political engagement but work from a diversion/Nordic Model perspective.
Quay services do not seem to hold any stated position on sex work legislation.

However there is nothing to be gained by condemning people when they seem to be trying to do the RIGHT thing and asking sex workers.

@GayeDalton you still haven't explained why you think prostitutes are more deserving of survival than other self-employed people.

@scarlettblaize
If you feel the need to take legal action against me at any point please message me the contact details for your legal representatives so that we can make formal arrangements to communicate, which will, of necessity, involve me knowing your real identity. .

In Ireland you would no have to reveal your address until filing formal motion, not sure about UK, it should be the same though?

Yes of course we all know it’s hardly ever a free choice.

I know lots of prostituted women and none of them are doing it by “choice “. They would all much rather have their own place , a partner who was decent and kind to them, a regular job and a normal life.

All the choices belong to the men who abuse them. And the others who have have a vested interest in supporting abusers and facilitating abuse.

The ones who pop up here pretending, telling you what a great “ job” it is and how they bought a mansion by having dinner with lovely chaps who occasionally asked for a goodnight kiss. Or the sad and lonely disabled men who just want a cuddle.

I don’t know who they think is stupid enough to believe such nonsense. I don’t know why I waste my time even engaging with them. I must remember Bunburys good advice .

@GayeDalton scarlettblaize If you feel the need to take legal action against me at any point please message me the contact details for your legal representatives so that we can make formal arrangements to communicate, which will, of necessity, involve me knowing your real identity.

Why do you think I should be worried about this?

What would you do with that information?

Why don't you answer the question about why you think prostitutes have a greater right to survival than other self-employed people?

@ScarlettBlaize
Why don't you answer the question about why you think prostitutes have a greater right to survival than other self-employed people?
It is unrelated to anything I have ever said or thought,.

GayeDalton

Many, many people who are self- employed and who were contributing to the good of society have seen their incomes disappear. Prostitutes and their clients harm society.

As others have said there are job opportunities with supermarkets etc.

@DidoLamenting
So, to be very clear, is this your general opinion, as stated?
Prostitutes and their clients harm society

“ do not want to give money so that a woman can continue being a prostitute. There are many companies currently desperate to recruit including many supermarkets. If this pandemic becomes the motivation that gets women out of prostitution and into a proper job then that would be great. I'm certainly not going to fund them to carry on being prostitutes”

Great I’ll tell my friends who are sex workers and haven’t to quarantine for 12 weeks to get a job in Tesco then? Or the single mums who are now having to look after their kids all day as schools and childcare are closed. Sex workers have also worked hard on their businesses, paid tax etc and also many of them do have other jobs josh have also collapsed. This forum is wild, according to you sex workers are all victims but are also all evil women who dredge no help. Amazing

I can't think why my comment isn't as clear as day.

I think prostitutes and punters harm society. Prostitution is degrading, dehumanising and brutalising. At an individual level it damages the individual prostitute. In the punter it encourages a mindset that it is acceptable to hire a human body as a receptacle to masturbate into.

That is not a healthy mindset. At a societal level it is damaging as these dangerous and unhealthy mindsets spread outwards.

That is aside from issues such as trafficking, money laundering, drugs, pimping etc.

There is also the misery caused by prostitutes and punters to others who have the misfortune to have live next to them. If you don't know what I'm talking about Google Leeds Holbeck. Decent, ordinary people living in fear because of prostitutes and punters.

Until society views prostitution as being truly evil women will never be truly equal.

“Prostitutes and their clients harm society.“ ah, the dirty whores can starve then? Corporate lawyers, management consultants, capitalism in general harm society. You are all saying “it isn’t a choice” followed by “these evil women”. Make up you minds. Sex workers aren’t to blame for men’s behaviour. Unless you think that anyone who has ever cheated on another person shouldn’t get help? Are you the DUP?

“ . At an individual level it damages the individual prostitute” so let’s not raise any money to help workers survive through this time? The lack of income is forcing workers to take increased risks

@DidoLamenting
I just wanted to be sure I was not misunderstanding you, thank you for clarifying.

Also lots of women are trafficked into marriage, so let’s ban that, shall we?

I said nothing of the kind. I have already said prostitutes should be able to access government help in the same way as any other self- employed or unemployed person who needs money to live.

But that help should be only to provide money to keep themselves going on a personal level- not to prop up their "business"

The idea that being a prostitute is the same as a corporate lawyer, management consultant, capitalism is beyond laughable; as is the idea that being a prostitute is the same as being a hairdresser, dressmaker tradesperson etc.

Your claim that the activities of lawyers etc harm society is ludicrous unless you are indeed some sort of deluded Marxist. Capitalism isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives.