Is it too much to hope that one positive outcome in the coming months and years

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Will be that people understand who the truly vulnerable in society are - i.e. the elderly, sick, disabled and poor - and that some healthy bodied narcissists start to change their narrative and grow up?

Well the NHS is cancelling a lot of surgery to free up staff and beds. I wonder how long it will be before the usual suspects start claiming this is literal violence?

I've seen it already on FB. Outraged transpeople threatening violence if they don't get their planned boob jobs etc.

FFS. Narcs gonna narc.

And your heart breaks for those who really need the nhs and it can’t necessarily be there for them now... I have a friend who’s young adult son has such severe abdominal issues that he’s in and out of hospital on a weekly basis and often needs icu/treatment for sepsis... usually in an A&E corridor with staff doing their best because there’s already no beds... this has gone on for nearly 2 years and every time it could kill him, they are waiting on specialist surgery in the summer but will need an icu bed afterwards... does this count as non-essential?

If he caught covid he’d have no resources to fight it... they’re exhausted and terrified and trapped between a rock and a hard place.

How self obsessed to moan about delays to surgery when your body is essentially healthy and you don’t need to be in hospital at all.

I've seen it already on FB. Outraged transpeople threatening violence if they don't get their planned boob jobs etc.

They're going to have deal with their personal issues like everyone else is, with hundreds of thousands of people facing a lonely three months without much of any social contact at all. There are more pressing issues to be solved. No one individual's needs can be prioritised, even among the actual
high risk groups.

A question that struck me with some force and to which I simply don't know the answer: do the drugs you have to take for the rest of your life after you transition have any effect on the immune system? It seems to me hideously unfair on the poor brainwashed children if they do. Nobody is saying, obviously.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I've no idea! I wouldn't have thought so.

However, trans women are at increased risk of pulmonary embolism/DVT, related to H"R"T - didn't a certain columnist claim he uses three times the dose of actual women. So if they are sweating out an illness, lying in bed, becoming dehydrated that will substantially increase the risk.

The whining has already started on that. I saw a whole collection of tweets this week about HOW UNFAIR life is now, because stretched medical resources will mean no cosmetic boob jobs

The only response to that is... tough titty, innit.

I think this is the dawning of the Age of Getting Real. In all the ways.

A question that struck me with some force and to which I simply don't know the answer: do the drugs you have to take for the rest of your life after you transition have any effect on the immune system? It seems to me hideously unfair on the poor brainwashed children if they do.

This article addresses testosterone in relation to the immune system. It only talks about it in relation to men, but I can’t see why it would be different in women and girls:

“ Specifically, testosterone appears to weaken the immune response in men, according to a 2014 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).”

“Researchers found that high testosterone levels in men caused a lower immune response to vaccination against influenza, making them more vulnerable to the illness. Men and women with low testosterone both had a more active immune response to vaccination than men with high levels of testosterone.”

www.everydayhealth.com/news/why-men-get-sick-more-than-women/

I have a horrible feeling this aspect of transing children and adolescent girls is not discussed in depth with transitioning girls or their parents.

My niece is taking testosterone.

I think this is the dawning of the Age of Getting Real. In all the ways.

Most definitely. I notice that the silence is deafening about Drag Queen Story Time at present.

Men might find it difficult to find women willing to engage in one night stands, and might be less keen themselves.

Brothels: closed. Exchange of bodily fluids with random strangers feels a bit eeewwwgh these days.

People are taking a step back from extravagant, flamboyant narcissists. The safe and steady is seeing a comeback. A bit of WW2 spirit seems to be in the air, even though panic over bog rolls doesn't seem to be quite the same thing.

We're starting to see everyday heroism in health care workers, carers, bog standard grocery store workers and delivery people. THAT is brave and stunning, and I think the general public knows it now. We admire them more than some special non-binary person with a very important identity he wants us to validate.

We're getting real, at last.

We are far more moved by Italians in lockdown singing Nessun Dorma from their appartment windows than a sob story about a man who can't get a boob job.

People are reaching out to older neighbours and trying to be helpful; that's what Be Kind tends to mean these days.

All in my observation, of course.

Covid 19 might be the best thing that ever happened to put a nail in the coffin of the TRA agenda. The beginning of the end to that spook, hopefully.

That sums up my thoughts exactly, Lamahaha.

In any case, as I understand it, CV19 is more lethal for men than it is for women. It recognises only biology, not feelings.

Right now, the world has bigger things on its plate than managing the hurt feelings of The Few.

I also hope we can change the "trans women are the most oppressed group in society" bollocks. As PP said, this crisis is showing us all who the really vulnerable people are in society. Those who are poor / old and alone / living with abusive partners / with serious health conditions / disabled. It's also showing us who is willing to get off their arses and help those people and who is going to whine about Glasto being cancelled on Twitter.

Excellent posts Lamahaha and definitelygc.
I agree with every word

Ditto the above

And me.

Thank you!

Great posts. There is a growing list of citizens who are brave and stunning at the moment headed by our medics and essential service workers and including all those making the best of all manner of terrible situations. I hope only to hear that phrase used in relation to genuine bravery in the future.

essential service workers

Including shop staff and delivery drivers, all facing abuse for events and shortages outside their control. These are ordinary people just trying to do their jobs in extraordinary circumstances.

Quite right TedsFederationRep
We are watching how the underpaid and undervalued hold our society together while applause and £££ have been thrown at those who actively take or offer nothing to sustain others in the widest sense. This has to be the wake up call for us all.

Well, we've been talking about what it might take to shake up the foundations of an unequal society. I confess I'm surprised a pandemic would be as effective as any planned revolution, but life is full of curve balls.

We are watching how the underpaid and undervalued hold our society together while applause and £££ have been thrown at those who actively take or offer nothing to sustain others in the widest sense.

This.

And 'kindness' is going to go back to it's true definition. This really is a time when reality and common sense and emotional maturity is going to matter, and many people will have hardships and pain to overcome.

Well, we've been talking about what it might take to shake up the foundations of an unequal society. I confess I'm surprised a pandemic would be as effective as any planned revolution, but life is full of curve balls.

The difference between this and a revolution is that a revolution usually only affects one country. This is a global phenomenon; we are ALL in this together and have to work together, globally.

And 'kindness' is going to go back to it's true definition. This really is a time when reality and common sense and emotional maturity is going to matter, and many people will have hardships and pain to overcome.

Absolutely. No more pandering, no more pretending.

From the Irish Covid 19 monitoring website www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/#march-19

The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has been informed of 74 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland.

The cases are made up of 29 females and 45 males.

Could it be that all of a sudden, Ireland can tell the difference?

As PP said, this crisis is showing us all who the really vulnerable people are in society. Those who are poor / old and alone / living with abusive partners / with serious health conditions / disabled. It's also showing us who is willing to get off their arses and help those people and who is going to whine about Glasto being cancelled on Twitter.

Very true.

Just saw this article. It complains that delaying gender-affirming surgeries puts transgender people at risk.

www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxekyz/transgender-surgeries-delayed-coronavirus-hospitals?fbclid=IwAR3SJLFJ91hpBpwi1XV2hfSfQ6etB3lpvoRR4pFSa8AvUg_SRk4bd5sW1JI