Is it too much to hope that one positive outcome in the coming months and years

[Doyoumind]

Will be that people understand who the truly vulnerable in society are - i.e. the elderly, sick, disabled and poor - and that some healthy bodied narcissists start to change their narrative and grow up?

[Lamahaha]

I just started this thread, an article by Meghan Murphy:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3858184-Meghan-Muphy-Gender-Identity-in-the-era-of-Covid-19?watched=1

[Winesalot]

I find this tone deaf as well.

metro.co.uk/2020/03/20/rupauls-drag-race-stars-lose-hundreds-thousands-dollars-coronavirus-12432750/

[TedsFederationRep]

"Hormone therapy"...it sounds so benign and helpful, doesn't it?

How many other "therapies" does anyone know of that actually increase risk, especially to such serious conditions?

[AskingQuestionsAllTheTime]

Well,that answers a question I asked about whether transitioning increased people's risk.

Poor children! It makes me very cross that they are being brainwashed into something with this extra risk to them as well as all the rest.

[FannyCann]

Seriously, though, I do wonder if a TW arrives at a hospital, what sex they are registered as? I suppose if they have a GRA they will be counted among the females?

I think it is trans women as oppose to trans men (oestrogen v testosterone) that are more at risk of PE.
Might be useful to know the sex of a breathless patient these days.

[LambriniSocialist]

Well one thing that this crisis proves is that biology and objective truth wins - you can't avoid it, it doesn't give a fuck how you identify, it is what it is.

It makes me think of the people who have been socially gathering over the past week or so, as if they somehow think they can stick two fingers up to the virus and defy it if they 'don't let it win', in the same way we do with terrorists!

It's not like Brexit or any politics really (including identity politics) where there are lots of options with potentially different outcomes depending on many factors. It is very much 'if we do this... Then this....and that is the only way it will go because... Biology'.

Maybe people will think on this in the coming months... Maybe not.

[AskingQuestionsAllTheTime]

I think there are still so few of them (as a proportion of the population as a whole) that they won't make all that much difference to statistics which include the whole population.

They are just disproportionately important in some particular areas, like the crime stats and the sports stuff. In the whole of real life, they matter very little.

[Lamahaha]

I suspect we'll see a huge increase in the number of men identifying as women in the coming weeks. Better to be safe than sorry

Yes, and then those statistics will be reversed. Covid will be proof that it IS possible to change sex! At last, we will have the evidence and those GC pesky women can shut up!

Seriously, though, I do wonder if a TW arrives at a hospital, what sex they are registered as? I suppose if they have a GRA they will be counted among the females?

That distortion alone should give pause for thought.

[NotTerfNorCis]

It seems biology means something. Who'd have thought it.

[definitelygc]

I suspect we'll see a huge increase in the number of men identifying as women in the coming weeks. Better to be safe than sorry

[Lamahaha]

Yes, I was just about to post a daily mail link: (www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8135211/More-70-coronavirus-deaths-Italy-men.html)

I would advise transwomen to inform the virus that they are actually biological women. That should do it.

[Xiaoxiong]

From the Guardian liveblog just now:

"Data from Italy indicates the coronavirus fatality rate is twice as high for men across all age groups, according to Dr Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force response coordinator."

Sorry, can the Guardian just define what "men" means here...

[AskingQuestionsAllTheTime]

You mean that someone has decided that at the moment saving lives matters more than saving face? That's so shocking....

[TedsFederationRep]

I'd be tempted to have a good weep but, to be fair, tissues are in short supply just now.

[Lamahaha]

Just saw this article. It complains that delaying gender-affirming surgeries puts transgender people at risk.

www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxekyz/transgender-surgeries-delayed-coronavirus-hospitals?fbclid=IwAR3SJLFJ91hpBpwi1XV2hfSfQ6etB3lpvoRR4pFSa8AvUg_SRk4bd5sW1JI

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

As PP said, this crisis is showing us all who the really vulnerable people are in society. Those who are poor / old and alone / living with abusive partners / with serious health conditions / disabled. It's also showing us who is willing to get off their arses and help those people and who is going to whine about Glasto being cancelled on Twitter.

Very true.

[Lamahaha]

From the Irish Covid 19 monitoring website www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/#march-19


The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has been informed of 74 new confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Ireland.

The cases are made up of 29 females and 45 males.

Could it be that all of a sudden, Ireland can tell the difference?

[Lamahaha]

Well, we've been talking about what it might take to shake up the foundations of an unequal society. I confess I'm surprised a pandemic would be as effective as any planned revolution, but life is full of curve balls.

The difference between this and a revolution is that a revolution usually only affects one country. This is a global phenomenon; we are ALL in this together and have to work together, globally.



And 'kindness' is going to go back to it's true definition. This really is a time when reality and common sense and emotional maturity is going to matter, and many people will have hardships and pain to overcome.

Absolutely. No more pandering, no more pretending.

[Michelleoftheresistance]

We are watching how the underpaid and undervalued hold our society together while applause and £££ have been thrown at those who actively take or offer nothing to sustain others in the widest sense.

This.

And 'kindness' is going to go back to it's true definition. This really is a time when reality and common sense and emotional maturity is going to matter, and many people will have hardships and pain to overcome.

[LadyQuarantinaPluckington]

Well, we've been talking about what it might take to shake up the foundations of an unequal society. I confess I'm surprised a pandemic would be as effective as any planned revolution, but life is full of curve balls.

[Languishingfemale]

Quite right TedsFederationRep
We are watching how the underpaid and undervalued hold our society together while applause and £££ have been thrown at those who actively take or offer nothing to sustain others in the widest sense. This has to be the wake up call for us all.

[TedsFederationRep]

essential service workers

Including shop staff and delivery drivers, all facing abuse for events and shortages outside their control. These are ordinary people just trying to do their jobs in extraordinary circumstances.

[Languishingfemale]

Great posts. There is a growing list of citizens who are brave and stunning at the moment headed by our medics and essential service workers and including all those making the best of all manner of terrible situations. I hope only to hear that phrase used in relation to genuine bravery in the future.

[AskingQuestionsAllTheTime]

And me.

Thank you!

[Danceswithwarthogs]

Ditto the above