Labour suspends Trevor Phillips because he identified who made up child grooming gangs

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Trevor Phillips is the former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission - and he's recently been accused of 'transphobia' for saying women's same-sex spaces should be protected.

He's now been suspended by Labour for accurately saying that the majority of members of northern grooming gangs, which sexually abused tens of thousands of vulnerable girls, were Pakistani Muslim men.

One of the main reasons why the girls were put at risk was because the police and local authorities didn't want to intervene in case they were accused of Islamophobia.

Labour's war on both women and the freedom to say things that are true is not going away.

news.sky.com/story/labour-veteran-trevor-phillips-suspended-over-islamophobia-allegations-11953457

And some schools do not allow their female teachers to be treated this way. I know this from a white teacher who teaches in a Muslim majority school who come down like a ton of bricks on anything like that.
Some schools do have a very strong discipline code and no tolerance for misogyny, some don't.

Among some British males whose families origin is in Kashmiri and Punjabi

Absolutely this.

PerfectParrot
The schools have no chance of doing anything. Nobody dares to say one word. There are no go areas up there that the police will not go near. Those teenagers know they need have no fear of the law or anyone else.

The efforts the Labour party is going to to make itself unelectable are astonishing.

I think a new party would have a better chance of succeeding than before. Now the Brexit is happening (so they won't get bogged down with leave/remain) and the batshit of labour is is full view. Also I think over the coming years the arrogance of Boris' Tory party will be on full view.

There are no no go areas. That is not true,
It is true that there are not enough police so they don't respond to a lot of incidents.

Yes, Mockers, parsing out the culture from the religion is nigh impossible.

The "No-Go Areas" thing is a rightwing meme. You knock it down and it keeps on getting up.

It is true that there are not enough police so they don't respond to a lot of incidents

But the police have the time to check the thinking of Harry Miller and who knows how many others who have a police record despite having committed no crime. The police are failing to investigate real crimes which is one reason public confidence in them has collapsed. They are dominated by a politically motivated lobby and they are perceived by the public as paralysed by concerns about political correctness. That is a major problem and the report into grooming gangs does nothing to contradict that perception.

Yes and it is an untrue right wing meme. I lived in an area that is supposedly a no go area. It was nothing of the sort.
There have been massive cuts to the police. So when you phone them it is a matter of luck whether they have anyone to send out. That is wrong, but it is the politicians to blame.

@BovaryX There will be specific police officers allocated to deal with hate crime. The allocation is wrong, but politically driven.
When you phone the police it is the response team that get sent out. There are far too few of them. I mean dangerously scary too few.

allout, it was fairly well known at the time. Things may have changed since then - I really hope so.

www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411888.scared-police-unable-to-stop-asian-gangs-officers-wary-of-racism-charges-in-some-areas/

For what it's worth, I thought all of this was myth rooted in racism, until I actually moved to the area and lived there for three years. It's very, very uncomfortable for middle class whites to confront this - there are complex issues, including poverty, conflicts from other ethnic groups (mostly East European in the south of Glasgow), inter gnerational tension, drugs, etc.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sarwar-police-too-scared-of-asian-gangs-mk7tx9gdpbt

Sad to hear about that in Glasgow. Where I lived there were multi disciplinary meetings to tackle Asian gangs. They didn't recognise the girls as victims until more recently, but they did tackle gangs.

I suppose the Labour big wigs will simply dismiss the vast number of comments supporting Trevor Phillips on the Mail and Times websites as just being by right wingers who would never vote Labour anyway. They are of course wrong.

The comments on both sites are same and reasonable. The "up voting" on the Mail site is into 4 figures on the top comments. But none of that will make any difference to the Labour cabal.

My poor old mum had a horrific experience in one such locality. She was terrified. It still happens. I have a couple of friends who taught in secondary school in the same area. Both changed careers because they were called whores and slags constantly and threatened and intimidated.
I have relatives working in local government who are seriously constrained wrt what they are allowed to say.
Still. Perhaps they are all just making it up.

It is absolutely real. There are young men from certain backgrounds who are raised in houses where it is accepted knowledge that white western women are drunken promiscuous whores by comparison with good muslim girls who dress modestly and never go out.

There are other households of similar origins where this is not the case.

Nobody is saying they are making it up. But you are repeating right wing lies.
As I said some schools are terrible at supporting teachers in the classroom around discipline. Others are very good and would come down on this like a ton of bricks.

There will be specific police officers allocated to deal with hate crime. The allocation is wrong, but politically driven. When you phone the police it is the response team that get sent out. There are far too few of them. I mean dangerously scary too few

alloutof
Are you suggesting that a lack of cops was responsible for the police failures to investigate grooming gangs circa 2000 onwards? That is not the conclusion of the report. One of the most outrageous things about this grooming is it was taking place in full view of the authorities Girls were being collected from children's homes and those who tried to raise concerns, like Ann Cryer, Labour MP for Keighley, were vilified.

n Asian grooming gang was free to roam the streets and abuse young girls because police officers were told to “find other ethnicities” to investigate, a detective has claimed. At least 57 young girls are thought to have been exploited by a paedophile network of around 100 suspected perpetrators based in south Manchester in the 2000s. The gang, mainly comprised of Asian men, hooked their victims on drugs, groomed, and sexually abused them. One girl, aged 15, died after being injected with heroin by a 50-year-old man.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/14/police-officers-knowingly-neglected-girls-exploited-grooming/

There are also schools in all-white or nearly so areas where there is a huge amount of racism openly expressed and the school will say that "We" don't have a problem because "We" don't have any of "Them" here.

@BovaryX No I am not suggesting that and did not say that. I have read the full report.
My comments were in relation to one poster claiming there were no go areas because police do not always respond when you ring the police. And you said they respond to reports about hate crime.
I was explaining why that was the case.

Nobody is saying they are making it up. But you are repeating right wing lies.

Well, either they are making it up or they aren't. Which is it?

Are you dismissing the real life experiences of a PP's mother, friends and relatives as "right wing lies"?

Seriously?

And you said they respond to reports about hate crime. I was explaining why that was the case.

Nope. You haven't explained why police are investigating Harry Miller's thinking, at the behest of a niche lobby who want to cancel freedom of speech, whilst they fail to investigate crimes like burglary which blights communities. Only 1 in 9 people have confidence in the police to investigate crime. That's a problem which the upper echelons of the police show zero signs of addressing. By the way, no need to use @.

Are you dismissing the real life experiences of a PP's mother, friends and relatives as "right wing lies"?

It's quite extraordinary, isn't it?

It's quite extraordinary, isn't it?

Indeed, Bovary.

I experienced problems time and time again doing my job as a prison governor because Pakistani and Bangladeshi men in custody refused to acknowledge that I had any authority whatsoever. Because I am a woman.

There's another "right wing lie" then.

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