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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Layla Moran to run for Lib Dem leader

73 replies

jadefinch · 08/03/2020 11:15

That's Layla 'I can see into the souls of trans people and know they're not a threat to women' Moran.

The woman who both campaigns for self ID and who's tried to bring in a law that removes the spousal veto so that if a woman who is married to a man who announces that he is now a woman - that wife is then legally forced to accept that she is now a lesbian.

The woman who agreed with other Lib Dems who said they'd be happy if the House of Commons was 50% made up of men and 50% made up of transwomen, and that a woman who doesn't believe that a transwoman is a woman is not a feminist and is not welcome to vote for the Lib Dems.

And the woman who was arrested for violently assaulting her ex boyfriend, and shortly after the story broke, entered a relationship with a trans activist who, among other things, issued threats to journalists who asked questions about the Lib Dems relationship with Aimee Challenor, and then proudly told the world she was 'pansexual'.

We've seen with Lisa Nandy, RLB, Elizabeth Warren and her former boss Jo Swinson - the electorate is completely turned off by lib fem TRA handmaidens, but still they come.

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Binterested · 08/03/2020 11:20

Ha ha ha. Good. Let’s have more of this shitshow available for all to see. In the immortal words of Delia Smith: ‘Come on! Let’s be having you!’

Polynerd · 08/03/2020 11:20

Where's the vomit emoji when you need one?

Newuser123123 · 08/03/2020 11:37

As a party member I get a vote!

Dances · 08/03/2020 11:40

Excellent. Mumsnet webchat please.

littlbrowndog · 08/03/2020 11:40

Oh my soul my soul. Look deep into it Layla

See what lurks in my soul Layla

GCAcademic · 08/03/2020 11:42

It looks like all the political parties are determined to turn this country into a one-party state. They genuinely have no idea, do they, why the electorate is so turned off by them?

LangClegsOpinionIsNoted · 08/03/2020 11:44

Excellent. Sunlight.

Times & Daily Mail journos, there's a good story here for you.

R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 11:46

That's Layla 'I can see into the souls of trans people and know they're not a threat to women' Moran.

Spectator article by James Kirkup
This MP has summed up everything wrong with the transgender debate
21 November 2018

concludes:
"The second is about a short exchange between Mr Davies and Ms Moran, the Lib Dem MP for Oxford who is a former science teacher.

The exchange captures a great deal about this issue, which has excited strong feelings among some woman (and men).

Some of them are unhappy about rules allowing male-born people to 'identify' as women. They worry that doing so could compromise the female-only spaces that society has provided in recognition of the potential danger that male-bodied people pose to their safety and privacy. They argue that if, as a slogan suggests, 'trans women are women' and a trans woman is anyone who says they are a trans woman, then there is nothing to stop a male-born person with full male anatomy and malign intent entering female-only spaces. And that, they say, is a problem, because a male body (especially one guided by male socialisation) is always a potential threat to female bodies, female privacy, and female dignity.

Ms Moran has said she believes trans women are women. Mr Davies has said he believes that a person with a penis cannot be a woman.

Their exchange is here:

David T. C. Davies:

'I hear what the hon. Lady is saying. May I bluntly ask her whether she would be happy sharing a changing room with somebody who was born male and had a male body?'

Layla Moran:

'I believe that women are women, so if that person was a trans woman, I absolutely would. I just do not see the issue. As for whether they have a beard, which was one of the hon. Gentleman’s earlier comments, I dare say that some women have beards. There are all sorts of reasons why our bodies react differently to hormones. There are many forms of the human body. I see someone in their soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body.'

And that, in a nutshell, is the transgender debate. Remember, Ms Moran, an intelligent and educated member of Parliament was speaking in a debate about laws that help determine how and whether people with female bodies can chose to separate themselves from people with male bodies. I’ll repeat her key observation again, just for clarity:

'I see someone in their soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body.'

Truly, Britain is a fortunate nation. This year really has demonstrated how lucky we are in the talents of our elected representatives. But even after the masterful Brexit debate and all the other delights, we didn’t know just how blessed we are. Because it turns out have an MP who has the gift of being able to see people 'in their soul'.

That must come in handy for all sorts of things, including the sort of case Mr Davies raised: being able to look at someone and gaze deep into their innermost thoughts and essence and understand what sort of person they are and what intentions they have would doubtless allow you to decide whether you were happy to undress in their presence.

But what about those women who do not possess Ms Moran’s remarkable gift, and who might just be a little concerned about the anatomy of the people they share changing rooms and bathrooms with? Women who might not subscribe to the fact-free, anti-evidence superstitious gibberish contained in talk of seeing souls? Women who might just consider material reality, biological fact and thousands of years of accumulated evidence about male violence, committed with male bodies, to actually matter? Women who might be left asking, if even MPs debate laws on sex and gender on the basis of 'souls' not bodies, what hope is there?

Sadly, Ms Moran did not say anything about those women who are not fortunate enough to share her special gift. Perhaps she’ll get to the next time MPs debate this issue."
beta.spectator.co.uk/article/this-mp-has-summed-up-everything-wrong-with-the-transgender-debate

Layla Moran does not understand sex-based Safeguarding frameworks.

current relevent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3840600-8-year-old-boy-wants-to-change-with-the-girls

Dances · 08/03/2020 11:50

I really hope she gets the opportunity to share her views again.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/03/2020 11:51

Brilliant, you almost had me there! Ten minutes till noon, too.

[checks date]

Oh. This isn't an April Fool? Shock

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 08/03/2020 11:57

Do we know who else will be standing yet? Can't remember seeing anything.

boatyardblues · 08/03/2020 11:58

So if you have shit soul-radar and get sexually assaulted or raped, its all your own fault for having shit soul-radar and being unable to spot the predators in amongst all the ‘quietly going about their business’ males in female spaces in good time? Is that right? Will this be joining the ‘bad sex gone wrong’ defence in placing the blame squarely back with women? Or, you know, are we actually going to pay some attention to effective safeguarding practice and keep spaces where women and girls are vulnerable sex segregated?

Cwenthryth · 08/03/2020 11:59

Of course she is, it’s not like they’re embarrassed with choice of eligible candidates.

Well. The first leader of a national political party openly in a same-sex relationship would be a good thing (obv Scotland & Wales have had several). Even if that person doesn’t actually believe in biological sex, it’s one of those things that doesn’t require people to believe in it to keep being a thing.

That aside, I don’t want to judge her for the actions of Rosy Cobb. As highly questionable as those actions are.

What do we think of her competition? Christine Jardine & Wera Hobhouse?

TinselAngel · 08/03/2020 12:01

Let's us not forget that Layla Moran proposed the motion to abolish the Spousal Exit Clause at Lib Dem party conference- resulting in this being Lib Dem policy, and has refused to answer letters about it from her own constituents.

AlunWynsKnee · 08/03/2020 12:07

The Tories must be wetting themselves with glee.

Cwenthryth · 08/03/2020 12:08

Has anyone got that video saved of Stephanie Davies-Arai (I think it was) reaction in the background when Moran said that ‘seeing into souls’ thing in the committee? It’s priceless, I saw it going round Twitter at the time, someone set it to music.

Sometimes, you just have to laugh or you’d cry.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 12:13

Cwenthryth Here you go:

ListeningQuietly · 08/03/2020 12:29

Well at least that means that the LibDem party conference will never be affected by the Covid restrictions against large gatherings of people
Grin

Binterested · 08/03/2020 12:32

God she’s useless.

LynnSchmob · 08/03/2020 12:35

I really hope she wins. This issue really needs more sunlight and she is our useful idiot.

R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 12:49

At 19:05 Layla Moran MP
"I'd also like to first place on the record my thanks to my Liberal democrat friend & colleague Helen Belcher who Ive been working closely with on this matter"

R0wantrees · 08/03/2020 12:53

Is there a transcript of this speech by Layla Moran?
Im not sure if Hansard has records for these discussions.

In listening to it again, its rather telling.

donquixotedelamancha · 08/03/2020 12:57

I really hope she wins. This issue really needs more sunlight and she is our useful idiot.

I think that's a very good point. Yay for Layla.

If anyone has not read her post-arrest statement blaming her victim for making him hit her, it's worth a Google (if you enjoy getting annoyed)- every domestic abuser's cliché.

donquixotedelamancha · 08/03/2020 12:58

That should be 'making her hit him'

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 08/03/2020 13:06

Excellent. No doubt she’ll make a dick of herself and peak more people.