Layla Moran to run for Lib Dem leader

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That's Layla 'I can see into the souls of trans people and know they're not a threat to women' Moran.

The woman who both campaigns for self ID and who's tried to bring in a law that removes the spousal veto so that if a woman who is married to a man who announces that he is now a woman - that wife is then legally forced to accept that she is now a lesbian.

The woman who agreed with other Lib Dems who said they'd be happy if the House of Commons was 50% made up of men and 50% made up of transwomen, and that a woman who doesn't believe that a transwoman is a woman is not a feminist and is not welcome to vote for the Lib Dems.

And the woman who was arrested for violently assaulting her ex boyfriend, and shortly after the story broke, entered a relationship with a trans activist who, among other things, issued threats to journalists who asked questions about the Lib Dems relationship with Aimee Challenor, and then proudly told the world she was 'pansexual'.

We've seen with Lisa Nandy, RLB, Elizabeth Warren and her former boss Jo Swinson - the electorate is completely turned off by lib fem TRA handmaidens, but still they come.

Mumsnet webchat please.

Yes, we’d all be interested to hear more from Layla Moran MP on her views and the direction she would like to take the party in.

Think David Steele fawning to narcissist Cyril Smith.

Or maybe think narcissist Cyril Smith who so successfully groomed so many adults including perhaps David Steele?

Needmoresleep that's very interesting, your post about the international elite 'types' (would Cummings call them a 'tribe'?)

They're in all the main parties now, and the civil service, I agree.

Layla Moran became an MP by the skin of her teeth, largely due to her constituency being so anti-Brexit. She turned over a huge majority to do it, but the seat has moved between the Tories and Lib Dems for years and will again. This kind of nonsense will not help her in a constituency with large numbers of naturally conservative voters.

100% this. She got in as a remain candidate in a strongly remain area. Previous Tory majority in 2016 felt mainly like fear of Ed Miliband's economic policies. Once Brexit is no longer at the top of everyone's agendas (hollow laugh) it'll probably move back to Tory again for a bit whether she makes a fool of herself as leader or not, OXWAB is one of those mainly fiscally conservative, socially liberal constituencies that'll swing depending on the issues at the time.

I say bring it on......as with Rebecca Long Bailey, the Lib Dems will never get anywhere near power with Layla Moran at the helm. We need another 10/15 years for this madness to die down and be fully exposed.

We need another 10/15 years for this madness to die down and be fully exposed.

Or we need to focus on holding the current government to account for the policies which are impacting children in schools, putting women in hospitals, prisons & changing rooms at risk?
Insist on parliamentary scrutiny of the lobbyists who have wielded so much influence?
Find out why an immediate government inquiry wasnt called when senior NHS staff whistle-blew serious Safeguarding concerns at Tavistock GIDS paediatric service?

Or we need to focus on holding the current government to account for the policies which are impacting children in schools, putting women in hospitals, prisons & changing rooms at risk

Yes, obviously! But that is a long term and committed project. Personally don't see this capture being brought to a sudden death. It will be incremental.

Autumn Crow,

You might as well have a review:
blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/09/16/the-brahmin-left-vs-the-merchant-right-a-comment-on-thomas-pikettys-new-book/

Trump, and to some extent Boris or at least many Brexiteers, might fall under his description "the Merchant Right". Centrist Tories and much of the Civil Service would be Brahmin's.

I was then extrapolating to a pre-children life when I sat in many international meetings with interpreters in various places, and went to fancy parties with people from everywhere and nowhere. Who knows, I could well have come across Moran's parents. I met many people like them. And they were in London as well. Ex-pats who were in London but not of London, and certainly not of England. One step more Brahmin, and more educated, than our own metropolitan elite: Ivy or Oxford/LSE/Imperial rather than just Russell Group.

I like the analysis as it goes some way to explaining why Americans on my Facebook rail against Trump but never seem to comment on things that really matter like homelessness in California, lack of access to maternity services in Appalachia, gig-economy poverty and so on. They don't care. And why Cummings was so easily able to win Labour's traditional voters.

The US has had the term "Boston Brahmins" to describe the same sort of people for decades. A significant percentage of the US political class is derived from that group.

But that is a long term and committed project. Personally don't see this capture being brought to a sudden death. It will be incremental.

Its incremental if people focus on LibDems /Greens / Labour rather than Conservatives & SNP who are in government & responsible for the policies causing harm & causing Safeguarding framework failure right now.

Its very useful to the Conservative government that this is spun as being a 'loopy leftie' / 'woke' issue.

Its not of course.

The Trans Inquiry report was completed under Conservative Government
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3391330-Prof-Kathleen-Stock-WPUK-speech-at-House-of-Lords-Important-disection-of-the-key-issues-for-MPs-policy-makers-etc-with-ref-to-The-Trans-Equality-Report

The deception of the Bristish people over single sex NHS wards was under Conervative governments & Health Ministers:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3396859-Weve-been-lied-to-about-Single-SEX-wards-since-2010

important thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

Will this be a BOGOF, with Rosy Cobb back in a senior position?

Got me on my knees, Layla.

Rowan, like Labour, the Tories are not immutable.

Boris's party has shed its centrist remainer wing. It is not desperate, like May was, to avoid being labeled "the nasty party". She wanted to reduce any gap on "soft" issues. Boris, armed with a large mandate and a evolving public opinion, can afford a different approach.

Nothing smacks of "loonie left" more than gender stuff. Its a poltical gift.

However he needs to:

1. Get Brexit done
2. Lead on Coronavirus
3. Deliver something to the Red Wall.

The signs are there though that Civil Servants are under notice that they will not be allowed to interfere with this Government's agenda. I am sure Stonewall et al can see the signs that the tide may be about to turn. Puuuulllll

I should say that I don't think a right leaning, and dysfunctional, Tory party with a strong mandate and without a centrist wing to hold it in check, is a good thing. But in terms of rolling back regulatory capture it is probably the best we could have hoped for.

Strange days indeed...

Nothing smacks of "loonie left" more than gender stuff. Its a poltical gift.

Yes it was predicted some time ago by feminists that Conservatives / right wing press would attempt to appropriate this.

The facts however are more complex & those with the power & influence within trans activism are as likely found in traditional Conservative places as others.

As are people who're deeply opposed. It's a genuinely non-partisan issue, or at least it would be if Labour and the LibDems hadn't completely lost the plot.

Its incremental if people focus on LibDems /Greens / Labour rather than Conservatives & SNP who are in government & responsible for the policies causing harm & causing Safeguarding framework failure right now

Well, yes.....and certainly a pressing issue in Scotland right now......my feeling is that the tories will hold off for as along as possible......doesn't mean I'll vote for them, though...by which time the increasing negative impacts of any Scottish legislation will already have presented themselves...along with those that are already being challenged in other countries........

Interesting post needmoresleep. It possibly has a relationship to a thread from several months ago talking about people as somewheres v anywheres / the concept of 'rootedness' v people who have the money and education to up sticks and move wherever they want - they have no skin in the game when it comes to local problems and poverty.

I am sure Stonewall et al can see the signs that the tide may be about to turn

Just as the focus will be on 'loopy left' rather than the wider cross-party failure to protect women's sex-based rights & Safeguarding, so too no doubt will focus of criticism be on Stonewall (& two women, Ruth Hunt & Jan Gooding) rather than the men of the Beaumont Society etc who have been driving policy capture & societal change for decades.
They captured Stonewall.

It is always important to look beyond the 'flying monkeys'

Yes the main difference between Tories and Labour at the moment, is that the former have woken up to the fact that gender bollocks is potentially toxic.

I am still curious as to who May's Cabinet Minister was who was a great advocate, as mentioned by James Kirkup.

Yes the main difference between Tories and Labour at the moment, is that the former have woken up to the fact that gender bollocks is potentially toxic.

Yes toxic in terms of approval ratings, not that it has been toxic to ensuring the protection of Safeguarding frameworks, the rule of law, women's sex-based rights & parliamentary due process.

The Conservatives have a great deal to lose as more people become aware & ask questions.

David Davies MP was threatened with police action by a member of the Conservative cabinet for hosting feminist meetings.

Or like the Pritzker's, who seem able to float between the Republicans and Democrats, or Edward Lord, etc. Or some of the tech giants (Twitter?)

The Establishment has changed in some ways, but it still works the same, with people in the shadows holding disproportionate power.

Lets hope out of this the good people are pushed to the front. The Jackie Doyle-Prices, the Joanna Cherry's and so on. And Layla Moran becomes the obscure footnote to history she deserves to be.

On the current Tories, I am heartened by the fact that Cummings is married to a Deputy Editor of the Spectator.

They have been clear, informed and brave in their position.

And that Andrew Gilligan is a No 10 advisor.

The Establishment has changed in some ways, but it still works the same, with people in the shadows holding disproportionate power.

Yes those people are men!