Layla Moran to run for Lib Dem leader

[jadefinch]

That's Layla 'I can see into the souls of trans people and know they're not a threat to women' Moran.

The woman who both campaigns for self ID and who's tried to bring in a law that removes the spousal veto so that if a woman who is married to a man who announces that he is now a woman - that wife is then legally forced to accept that she is now a lesbian.

The woman who agreed with other Lib Dems who said they'd be happy if the House of Commons was 50% made up of men and 50% made up of transwomen, and that a woman who doesn't believe that a transwoman is a woman is not a feminist and is not welcome to vote for the Lib Dems.

And the woman who was arrested for violently assaulting her ex boyfriend, and shortly after the story broke, entered a relationship with a trans activist who, among other things, issued threats to journalists who asked questions about the Lib Dems relationship with Aimee Challenor, and then proudly told the world she was 'pansexual'.

We've seen with Lisa Nandy, RLB, Elizabeth Warren and her former boss Jo Swinson - the electorate is completely turned off by lib fem TRA handmaidens, but still they come.

What's her girlfriend up to these days? She was last seen threatening Sonia Poulton...

The issue in the Lib Dems predates Layla Moran.

There have been influential trans rights activists who have had a great deal of power for some time such as Helen Belcher, also Sarah Brown, Zoe O'Connell etc

I’ve just got up to 12 mins in that video. Mature women arguing that a man is wrong to seek to protect them from sexual predators. 🤯

R0wantrees: The issue in the Lib Dems predates Layla Moran.

That’s true. They are among the worst political parties for jumping on bandwagons, especially the Trans Truck. Along with the Greens, of course.
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The Greens were criticised by the commissioned Veritas Report into David & Aimee Challenor for not understanding or having robust Safeguarding frameworks.

The extent of policy capture is a symptom of failings in Safeguarding frameworks.
There are of course other serious consequences of these Safeguarding failures as described by the findings of the historic child sexual exploitation report.

The only party this is good for is the Tories

That's the first time I've seen that David Davies speech. What truly horrifies me is that it is the women who are opposing him. We really are our own worst enemies sometimes.

Under Layla Moron, the LibDems will definitely be enjoying their erasure sooner rather than later.

Bring it on. It will give us so many chances to share that wonderful article by James Kirkup which sums her up to a T.

It was really odd that women had to rely on David TC Davies as a lone voice to speak up for them in Parliament. He did a good job and I am glad he has been rewarded with re-election, to a seat that traditionally Labour, and a junior Minister job in the Welsh office. I also note from his wiki that: A keen sportsman, Davies has fought in several charity boxing matches as "The Tory Tornado"

And what name would Leila use?

Some fight. I assume she would not see a problem, depending on how she perceived Davies’ soul. I assume he would, as he would be concerned about physical differences.

So the Tories don't even need to bother contesting the next election, then - they could all stay home with their feet up eating cheese on toast and still win given the current state of the opposition.

That's the first time I've seen that David Davies speech. What truly horrifies me is that it is the women who are opposing him. We really are our own worst enemies sometimes

I watched that live - first time I have watched parliamentary process in action. It was shocking.

Kittens - we are heading to a one-party state as they watch all the other parties press the self-destruct button.

I hope she gets it tbh - Libdems don't have any hope of even a glimpse at any power for the foreseeable, and it would provide a good dose of sunlight on the gender identity ideology.

Every time women like Moran, Swinson, Butler, etc are interviewed on this, they end up looking utter fools.

Bring it on. "No debate" has failed.

@R0wantrees

I know the tendency on Mumsnet is to tell it like it is without fear or favour, but I can't help feeling that accusing Layla Moran of intelligence is a step too far. 😁

R0wantrees - here is the transcript in Hansard:

Self-identification of Gender
21 Nov 2018

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-11-21/debates/BE06C5D4-E549-4F94-87B1-9B77F32EA155/Self-IdentificationOfGender

Molesmokes Thank you

I really want to read what Moran said,
She seemed to making a whole host of false claims with utter conviction & earnestness.

justcly
I think Moran is more naive than lacking in intelligence & has been thoroughly indoctrinated by some of her "good friends & liberal democrat colleagues"

Moran is anything but naive in other areas though, she carefully calculates what will distract from the issues in her character.

I hope she wins. As others have said, it will expose her and her nutty quasi-religious zealotry to the public gaze.

The Lib Dems are a political shambles now. As a former Lib Dem, it's embarrassing. Truly cringe-making.

Naive or toxic then?

Flying Monkeys (The Narcissist’s Tool for the Smear Campaign)
(extract)
"flying monkeys are also known as the:
entourage
accomplices
enablers
extension of the narcissist
campaign managers
They’re out there recruiting other people, kind of in a way like religious people might knock on your door and try to recruit you into their religion. They’re trying to convert you into the religion of the narcissist, which is reality by the narcissist.
So the role of these flying monkeys is first of all abuse by proxy." (continues)

Flying monkeys make the narcissist feel like they’re important and special. They help the narcissist feel like they’re grandiose, like they have high status, like they’re famous or a celebrity, which is what the narcissist wants to feel. Narcissists often have a whole entourage around them just like a celebrity needs an entourage in order to feel secure about themselves.
So who can become flying monkeys?
There are two different categories of people.
The first category is the naive.
The naive are people who are just clueless. They can’t see it, they can’t fathom it, they’ve never been through anything like that, so they can’t even imagine that somebody would do such a thing to just make up all these lies about you and spread them across town. They just can’t even fathom that a human would do that or maybe the naive is also the fawning type.
This is the type of people who when faced with a fight or flight dilemma, they choose fawning instead where they just melt into into a strong, dominant personality to feel safe and they don’t realize what’s happening. You might have noticed that even you became one of these flying monkeys when you were in your naive state before you woke up, before you figured out what was going on.
The second category of people who can become flying monkeys are the toxic.
These are the people with no boundaries. They love gossip and drama, they’re addicted to that stuff. They have an integrity problem and usually they want something from the narcissist. They want status, they want flattery, they want favours. They’re getting something out of the narcissist, which is why they’re willing to do their bidding." (continues)
medium.com/@OwnYourReality/flying-monkeys-the-narcissists-tool-for-the-smear-campaign-798daf7a59c0

Moran is interesting in a way.

There are lots of complaints about a metropolitan elite which has taken over the Labour party and which is remote from the concerns of the traditional "red wall" working class. (Thomas Piketty, the French economist in his new book on wealth inequality, has taken to calling this group, who exist elsewhere in the west, the Brahim left. And essentially postulates that rather than campaign for things that would genuinely help the less well off, but harm them, like income redistribution, they have found new causes, presumably including gender. )

But from my observation, beyond the cosy restaurants of Islington, there is another, more international, often more educated , elite of ex pat nomads, who think the world is their oyster, with a strong sense of entitlement and little connection to a country, let alone an understanding of its working class. This is the Brussels elite that Farage railed against. This is the Chelsea world of top International bankers who moaned noisily about the non-dom tax. This is Geneva and the UN bureaucracy. These are the people who make the big global decisions on money and policy that affect us all, but they are not connected to us. Their children may grow up in London, Brussels or Geneva but they don't belong to the UK, Belgium or Switzerland.

This is Layla's background. Actually arguably NIck Clegg was of the same vein.

The best hope for many of these kids is to climb the same trees as their parents, got to the same Universities, get the same type of jobs, and carry on from there. So you get second, third even fourth generations of internationals.

Layla appears to have almost made it. Nice school, good University, but then teaching in various schools for ex pats, in Brussels, London and Oxford. I would speculate that as an international Brahmin she would be confident that her options were important, that her identity was valid, and hence the move into politics.

Hmmm. Dominic Cummings and Thomas Piketty. Strange bedfellows, but I think they both call it right. The growing inequality in income is at the heart of the weird politics, whether gilets jeunes, Trump or Brexit and the crumbling Red Wall. Gender nonsense etc is not going to appease insecure workers in the gig economy. Layla Moran does not have a clue.

The whole of Lib Dems politics, at local party level and at Westminster, is based around flying monkeys, R0wantrees - that description is absolutely spot on.

Think David Steele fawning to narcissist Cyril Smith. The teams of young interns and helpers who fawn around Lib Dem MPs and PPCs in the party conference hotel and bars. The toxic enablers who tell members who raise concerns to leave the party if they don't like it.

Layla Moran became an MP by the skin of her teeth, largely due to her constituency being so anti-Brexit. She turned over a huge majority to do it, but the seat has moved between the Tories and Lib Dems for years and will again. This kind of nonsense will not help her in a constituency with large numbers of naturally conservative voters.

The whole of Lib Dems politics, at local party level and at Westminster, is based around flying monkeys, R0wantrees - that description is absolutely spot on.

The point though in such cases should alwaysbe to look beyond the 'flying monkeys' to recognise / identify who the actual narcissitic abusers are & to look for the focus of their intended abuse.

(extract)
Essentially the narcissist spins this web of a false reality and casts it out among this group of people. Then people subscribe to that reality. It’s like they become engulfed into that web of a false reality that they think is very real because the narcissist appears so convincing with an enormous amount of energy and emotion about the topic.
It really seems like it could be true to a certain point, especially to people who just don’t know. But the people who are subscribing and fully knowing, the toxic, who are partaking in this because they’re getting something out of it, they will gladly subscribe to that reality even if they know that it’s a false reality.
Why does the narcissist use flying monkeys?
First of all they like to discredit the witness. They like to discredit you so that you don’t reveal your truth or so that maybe you’ll just be so ashamed and terrified that you won’t say anything, instead you’ll just swallow it all.
Maybe they know that you have the balls to tell the truth and tell people in your community, your family, your circle of friends, your office and they don’t want you to reveal that truth. So they have to discredit you so that people aren’t really sure who’s telling the truth." (continues)

The narcissist doesn’t have to get their hands dirty abusing you because they can recruit all these other people to do that work for themselves.
And finally, they’re going to use mobbing against you so that you feel alone and unsure of your reality.
When it’s one person against one person that gaslighting can be really challenging. When it’s a whole group of people who are subscribing to that reality, and then you, you’re going to feel really alone. You’re going to really be tempted to doubt yourself and your perception of reality. The flying monkeys can be a very powerful ally for the narcissist." (continues)
medium.com/@OwnYourReality/flying-monkeys-the-narcissists-tool-for-the-smear-campaign-798daf7a59c0

Gender nonsense etc is not going to appease insecure workers in the gig economy. Layla Moran does not have a clue.

The vast majority of MPs (all parties) don't 'have a clue'
The lobbying of parliamentarians & civil service has been going on for decades.
Layla Moran has never served in government.
The "gender nonsense" has been running unchecked & affecting public services under successive Conservative governments.

I think we need to be very honest about this being a cross-party issue.