Drag Queen fuming after being told to leave the ladies loo.

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Drag Queen (Flowjob again!) is fuming on twitter after being removed from the ladies toilets at Glasgow’s Grovenor Casino.

I’m so sick of this.

@Datun sorry I see what you mean. I do see where you are coming from, but as, in general terms, women are more at risk from men, than vice versa, men wont likely see it from that angle.

I dont disagree with you tho.

then it is down to the management of the venue to make the decision if they can use the female toilets.

I hope the management team includes some female perspective in that decision making process, and invites feedback from their female clientele.

@Only

It does indeed.

whether there were women in there who would have indicated which cubicle he'd gone into, or whether the place was empty and there was only one closed door, so the bouncer wanted to check he hadn't pushed a woman in there and had a hand over her mouth.
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I suspect here 'knocked on the door & said "oi oi are you all right in there? Can you come out please, we've had a complaint"' is identifying as cubicle peering.

Well, actually, I suspect this entire incident is Identifying As A Thing That Happened, but whatever.

This! The people on this thread who are suddenly more concerned about a dishonest man's account of what a bouncer did or didn't do than the fact the dishonest man was in the women's toilets are kidding themselves if they think the bouncer is the bigger problem.

You're a bouncer. Women have complained about a man in the women's toilets. (Is he in drag or just dressed as a man?) You go in. You call out. Any answer? Have you been ignored? Have you dealt with assaults and overdoses in toilet cubicles in the past?

What do you do? Just stand and wait? For how long? Have you asked women to leave the toilet? Is there another toilet for them to use? How long are you going to wait to see if the person ignoring you is dead or has someone else in there?

Interested to hear what some people's preferred rules of engagement are in this situation.

I thought flowjob lived in the UK. What is all this "bathroom" nonsense? There is no reason for a male drag artist to be in the women's toilets. The whole point of drag is that it's a man "dressed up" as a woman. I very much doubt Ru Paul goes in to women's toilets (or bathrooms as he does live in America)

Glasgow.

RevStu has commented on the twitter thread. You want to see the response?

I’ll get banned if I say what I really think...

If you can urinate like a man ie via an appendage called a penis then you should use the appropriate penis oriented facilities regardless of what where or who you identify as. It really is that simple.

flowjob: "are you just jealous that this women (sic) still have a bigger dick than you"

Flowjob is very good at being a competitive man, is anyone going to tell flowjob that women don't have penises, that's why he isn't one.

The last time I told someone on Twitter that men can’t have babies, I was told by many people that “it’s 2020 men can have babies too!“

Otherwise known as "it's 2020 our brains have fallen out"

I don’t believe that a bouncer would look into a women’s cubicle without calling out a couple of times and being ignored.
I’d like to know which toilets this guy used at the primary school!

@testing987654321One of the responses on that twitter topic is:

“Things change”

This was in response to someone saying that there are two genders and if you have a penis you use the Male toilets.

That thread is making me so angry.

Surely a drag queen has used the men's many, many times in their life, where you actually have men standing right next to you while you take a piss? Do they complain about that? The bouncer was right to check. That's their job. No way should they have been in the women's toilets.

NRTFT, but why do males think they get to go in the women's just because they are dressed as women?

Where has this narrative, or "rule" been dreamed up? Because nobody asked me!

On the other side of the coin is David Thomas - a men's rights activist in the 90s - who is documenting their transition in the Telegraph, but states he's still living as a man. But still thought he could go in the women's, wrote a list of all the toilets he has been in - and still thought it fine to talk about "finding out what happen's in the Ladies" and creepy stuff like that. If that's not a fetish, I don't now what is.

I tell you what, I'm bloody sick of males who think they can dress as women and use women's facilities!

"finding out what happen's in the Ladies"

Ugh. This obsession with the fantasy and fetishising of women's lives is beyond pervy.

However, at work we have to deal with people in the fairest way we can, and its something we will come across more and more.

So, does that mean if I come to you and complain that I’m not comfortable with a male born person who identifies as trans being in the toilets, will you tell them to leave? After all, it’s toilets designated for females, so that’s only fair.

Sounds like the bouncer made the right call 👍

Glasgow has an honourable record of not giving in meekly to intimidation. Anyone remember the terrorist attack on Glasgow airport, foiled by the baggage handler who beat the shit out of the guy and then warned future potential attackers:
“ This is Glasgae- we’ll set aboot ye!”

Nice to see that robust spirit alive and well! TRAs may have captured the southern metropolitan woke, but their mad ideology won’t wash with a Weegie bouncer.

but their mad ideology won’t wash with a Weegie bouncer.

I think the law provides for women to have the right to object to a man in a female only space. It's in the Equality Act exceptions.

India is getting involved now

twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1236014644147507200

The Equality Act 2010 does, of course also cover toilets. That's via the single-sex exemptions in Schedule 3, Part 7 (titled SEPARATE, SINGLE AND CONCESSIONARY SERVICES ETC), paragraph 26, sub-paragraph 6:

(6)The condition is that—

(a)the service is provided for, or is likely to be used by, two or more persons at the same time, and

(b)the circumstances are such that a person of one sex might reasonably object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex.

Link here

The need for separate toilets for both sexes is also explicitly stated in the relevant Building Regulations for Northern Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales. These regulations also specify how unisex toilets (single-entry facilities for use by both sexes, but only one after the other) have to be built.

A person like this complainant has no legal right to use a facility provided by the owners or operators of the building you are in (assuming this person remains legally male, i.e. has no Gender Recognition Certificate).

And any provider of such a facility would do well to remember that excluding males from a service or facility provided for females is not unlawful discrimination on the basis of sex if and only if ALL males or all males not in a position of a GRC are excluded.

As soon as you let some males who remain legally male in, but keep other males who remain legally male out, you are unlawfully discriminating against the latter. The men so excluded could sue for sex discrimination and would likely win such a case.

It's easier to do this by invoking a strict single-sex exemption which also keeps males who do have a GRC out, but providers do not know the law well enough to know this is perfectly legal and, of course, they do not know enough about how to invoke the single-sex exemptions.

We do not check people's right to use such facilities, because we have had such a strict social convention of staying out of single-sex facilities provided for the opposite sex. This taboo has been so strong and existed for so long - since these facilities were first provided for the benefit of women - that there was never any law needed that spelled this out.

No decent man would have ever dreamed of denying women the right to toilets dedicated to their own sex. But given that it's not the decent men currently in the ascendancy, we might need that law now though.

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^not in possession of a GRC