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Workplace cake sale to raise money for Mermaids

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Cucumbersalad · 02/03/2020 12:57

To celebrate International Women's Day Hmm a charity bake sale is being held at my workplace to raise money for Mermaids UK, "to show our support for the transgender community".

Has anybody come across a similar situation in the workplace, and if so, did you raise any concerns? I'm cowardly about speaking out, but I feel I should say something! How to do this delicately/ sensitively?.I don't want to rock the boat though, as it's work! And ultra-woke...

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DidoLamenting · 02/03/2020 18:46

It's not controversial to ask why Mermaids, which is not a charity intended to promote women's rights, has been selected for support on IWD.

If they press on regardless I would ignore it - but I ignore all workplace charity requests.

GloGirl · 02/03/2020 19:26

I also really like the trifecta here of it being:
1 - IWD.
2 - a bake sale (let me guess which gender will be hardest at work preparing for this)

  1. Assuming Mermaids are working with mainly young girls - encouraging them to to be sterilised, or preventing/removing their breasts.

Happy Women's Day everybody!

Lordfrontpaw · 02/03/2020 19:27

Don’t forget - it’s for women - yet the organisation is pushing far more girls/women to be boys/male than vice versa! Deffo batting for the other side.

LouHotel · 02/03/2020 19:30

I would ask for them to raise funds for an FGM charity.

You know the prevention of child mutilation.

R0wantrees · 02/03/2020 19:41

I think thats an excellent idea.

ChattyLion · 02/03/2020 22:40

Brilliant cause to raise money for.
Gender-based mutilation of female children and young women is always wrong.

lanadelgrey · 02/03/2020 22:52

Is the W somewhere you could buy a ready made cake along with other food and household products Smile

boatyardblues · 02/03/2020 23:13

Personally I feel we shouldn’t try to guess PPs’ employer. We don’t want to out them on here.

justcly · 02/03/2020 23:47

Why don't you suggest Housing For Women which supports and seeks to house homeless women, or Women in Prison? Homeless Link also has a campaign to end women's homelessness running. It may be that colleagues will find it more appropriate to raise money for a smaller charity that supports the most vulnerable women in our society.

Defenestratethecat · 03/03/2020 07:34

Vancouver Rape Relief would be a deserving charity.................

BorneoBabe · 03/03/2020 07:53

It's still absolutely mind-boggling to me that men (and yes, some women) who have never given a shit about any other cause in their lives are openly falling over themselves to promote the idea that men can become women.

OP - wishing you good luck.

Lordfrontpaw · 03/03/2020 07:59

I blame Harry Potter and all that magic. Or mass hysteria.

R0wantrees · 03/03/2020 08:48

Women in Prison does support women in prison, also male offenders who identify as women in prison.

Its a really important charity doing very important work to support vulnerable women.

(Im not sure at what point trans rights activists became involved with the charity)

BlueHarry · 03/03/2020 08:54

Good luck with this everyone who works there! I'm glad to see there's a few of you, power in numbers. It shouldn't be controversial to ask why they haven't picked a women's charity for IWD though, hopefully it won't be and they will change to something more appropriate!

theflushedzebra · 03/03/2020 09:31

Glogirl - you're so right!

Women! For IWD give your labour away for free (as usual!) to raise money for a charity that is....trying to erase your rights in law and pushing puberty blockers and jelly baby gender on your kids! Yay!

OP - I hope you can find your Mumsnetter colleagues Smile Amazing that there are three of you here!

What was it Suzanne Moore has just said? Oh yes - "There are more of us than you think." There are!

CharlieParley · 03/03/2020 09:51

I would love to know why the EHRC has lost the plot so badly. It all seems to lead back to Stonewall.

To answer your question, thePurported, the EHRC was one of the first organisations to fall. It was established with the Equality Act 2006, which included gender reassignment under the characteristic of sex.

However, the Equality Act as amended in 2010 split this category into two separate protected characteristics and so undid a lot of the damage the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2006 did to the rights of women.

It is only rational therefore, to seek to influence the Equality and Human Rights Commission as soon as it was set up. And trans rights organisations were incredibly well placed to do so. They enjoyed unparalleled access to power, they knew all the players and they had credibility - in the runup to the legislation that would become the Gender Recognition Act, politicians as well as civil servants had established good working relationships with these organisations and gotten into a habit of seeking their views and listening to their concerns.

Of course in and of itself, there is nothing wrong with advocating for the rights of your own interest group and there is nothing wrong with the state listening.

As long as there is balance.

Unfortunately for us, there was not an equal lobby for women's rights. And so from its inception, trans rights organisations have been in a position where they could work to shape the EHRC in their favour. Which continues to this day.

Despite this, the Equality Act 2010 has proven invaluable to our protection by specifying that our rights are sex-based and by outlining that the protected characteristic of gender reassignment does not trump that of sex. Which is why it has been so intensely targeted and why one of the greatest achievements by trans rights organisations was the commitment by the Labour Party to amend the protected characteristic of sex in the Equality Act in the direction demanded by these groups.

In Rebecca Bull's Briefing Note: Impact of Gender Recognition Reform on Sex Based Rights presented in the Scottish Parliament recently, she discusses this undue influence on the writing of the statutory codes which are arguably at the heart of one of our biggest problems - the correct interpretation of law and application of our legal protections.

Moreover, it is apparent from the Equality Act Codes of Practice post Consultation Report (2011) that the Codes were more reliant on the input from various lobbying groups than on strict attention to the statute in that the Codes were amended in line with responses received to an original draft Code:

“Various transsexual stakeholder groups responded to the formal consultation and also participated in the parallel consultation events taking place on the non- statutory guidance.”

“Feedback from the consultation events was incorporated into the employment and services codes where appropriate, particularly on issues of confidentiality, use of single sex services and the legal definition of transgender.” (2011:11)

The report also states that: ‘A number of concerns were raised about the exceptions, in particular the exceptions for.. single sex services and separate services. These sections have been revised as a result.” (2011; 13).

Rebecca concludes

In my view the Code does not adequately reflect the EqA 2010 and it seems that it has been deliberately edited in order to take into account the views of only one stakeholder group (gender reassignment) over those of women. Indeed there is no record of women’s groups’ involvement in this particular aspect of the Code. In my view the Code is fundamentally flawed and has departed from statute.

The note can be downloaded here

ThePurported · 03/03/2020 10:41

However, the Equality Act as amended in 2010 split this category into two separate protected characteristics and so undid a lot of the damage the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the Equality Act 2006 did to the rights of women.

Charlie Thank you, I didn't realise that!

The PC of gender reassignment was surely not intended to apply to children (even Whittle thought it would be a bad idea), and yet the EHRC actively promotes Mermaids and works with people like Susie Green to find test cases.

justcly · 03/03/2020 22:51

@R0wantrees

I was not aware of that. Let's hope they can maintain their focus on the original cause. It would be a crying shame otherwise.

R0wantrees · 03/03/2020 23:11

justcly I was surprised at the time of K. White's conviction of sexual assault of female prisoners that Women in Prison weren't in MNM speaking out against the dangers of placing dangerous males, sometimes convicted of rape, violence against women & sexual offences against children, in female prison estate.

From memory Stephen Whittle, Tara Hewitt or TELI (trans rights activists) were pushing for Women in Prison to be interviewed. I had a look at their website & was sorry to understand why they might be limited in what they could say on the issue.

Its a great charity which does a great deal of good for very vulnerable women.

IAmFleshIAmBone · 04/03/2020 02:30

Clitoraid could be a good charity to suggest? Raise money for FGM survivors and raise awareness?

caringcarer · 04/03/2020 02:39

I would not support Mermaids.

Cucumbersalad · 04/03/2020 09:50

@Pizzaformylunch @Juststopswimming @WokeyMcWokeface

Wondering if anyone at this company had had any response, if you registered your opposition to this? I sent an email yesterday morning but haven't heard back. Sent to HR rep and communications manager.

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Juststopswimming · 04/03/2020 10:01

I sent an email yesterday and havent had a response either... I sent to the team who sent out the message, plus an adjacent team the event was linked to. Surprised we have had no reply at all...

hoodathunkit · 04/03/2020 10:51

Clitoraid could be a good charity to suggest? Raise money for FGM survivors and raise awareness?

Why would a fundraiser for International Women's Day send funds to a disreputable organisation that is part of a controversial new religious movement (many would say cult) that has a long history of allegations of sexual abuses by the leader, including against underage girls?

an interesting post on the Cult Education Institute forum reads as follows:

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"What I heard directly from a raelian member in their summer headquarter is : "in order to respect nature, children were also having sex. He said he had two children and that it is a great privilege for a parent when rael accepts to have sex with a children."

"The French cult prevention organization has published a couple of interesting articles about pedophilia in the raelian movement (www.prevensectes.com/rael74.htm)

Here is a trial report (personal translation): "Sarine county court has stated that the content of the books that contributes to the [raelian] movement doctrine can 'behind any doubt lead to illegal behaviours towards children' "

And here is a translation of the first lines of an article written by Mr Deslauriers (who was a member of the raelian movement). This article was published in Apocalypse International, number 64 :

"... Love or sexual relationships between adults and children, that are strongly condemned by the society and its laws, revolts most parents. Here are some personal thoughts, in the light of the teaching of our creators, the Elohims. These thougts aim to start a dedramatization of this topic. Pleasure shouldn't be reserved to adults. Sexuality shouldn't either....From birth sexual organs are working : it means that they are ready to give pleasure to the individual, even if it's a child. And a child who learns earlier to draw pleasure from his body, from others' bodies, from his senses, develops his intelligence earlier. Pleasure generates stimulis. Thus an awakening of the sleeping cells happens and the indiviual's potential intelligence increases thanks to the new resulting neuronal connexions..."

10 years after this article, Vorilhon (Rael) who had lost his trial against the newspaper "La Liberté" (see above) was constrained to disclaim Deslaurier's article and that's what he did in Apocalypse International, number 108."

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source:

forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,41663,page=3

A google translate version of the relevant French article is here

(how I hate wiritng TRIGGER WARNING but it has to be done)

translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20120118174145%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.prevensectes.com%2Frael74.htm

The Raelian movement also are the cult / NRM behind Go Topless Day and Free the Nipple Movement (as recently promoted uncritically on the BBC).

The movement also has it's own sex worker division called Rael's Girls

I am extremely concerned that someone would make such a post as your here

R0wantrees · 04/03/2020 11:00

Women wanting to support those campaigning to end FGM couldnt do better than contact Hibo Wardere IIMO.
I had the great privilege to hear her speak a couple of years ago & will never forget it or lose the impact it had.

Hibo Wardere is a campaigner against Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) and author of 'Cut'.

A Woman's Place is breaking ground (Norwich 25th February 2019)

twitter twitter.com/HiboWardere