Harry Miller on Politics North this morning

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The marvellous hero that is Harry Miller has just been on our local BBC politics programme . Jane Fae was also a guest...

I just wanted to express support and gratitude to HM if he ever peruses MN.

Did anyone else in the north see the programme? He made fantastic points about debate and being silenced or having your thinking checked in an Orwellian style. He also quite clearly stated that 'woman means adult human female'.

Jane Fae's bio The Independent:

"Jane Fae is a writer and feminist with a particular interest in the rights of individuals to express their own sexuality without censure by the state. She is an active supporter of Consenting Adult Action Network, as well as regular contributor to national and LGBT press."

Consenting Adult Action Network (CAAN)

Wiki
History
On 14 June and 22 August, they attempted to seek advice on what material might be caught by the law. They took a dossier of images to three major police forces, although none of them could yet say which pictures would be deemed illegal.

On 21 October 2008, they organised a protest with Ben Westwood against the law on "extreme pornography".

They were awarded "Specialists Website of the Year" by the London Gay Sex and Fetish Awards 2008.

On 25 January 2009, the day before the law on "extreme pornography" came into effect, CAAN protested in London. They were supported by Backlash and The Spanner Trust. The protest was attended by Peter Tatchell and Ben Westwood.

March 2010, CAAN announce they are publishing a book "Beyond the Circle: Sexuality & discrimination in heteronormative Britain" written by John Ozimek.

Issues
CAAN is concerned about several issues regarding consenting adults:

The law on "extreme pornography", since it criminalises possession of images involving consenting adults, including staged acts, and screenshots from legal films.

Clauses in the Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 that ban people from working in jobs involving children or "vulnerable adults" if they possess "sexually explicit images depicting violence against human beings". The government state that 11.3 million will have to register with the scheme, although the number has been estimated by others at over 14 million.

As of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, sexual images of 16- and 17-year-olds are treated as child pornography, even though the age of consent remains at 16 (CAAN states it has no interest in tinkering with the age of consent, however they believe this change in the law to be "misguided and disproportionate").
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consenting_Adult_Action_Network

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

As of the Sexual Offences Act 2003, sexual images of 16- and 17-year-olds are treated as child pornography

Advocating for 16 year olds in extreme porn is advocating for child pornography.

Its abuse
Coercive, controlling, dangerous sexual abuse.

In England a person is a child until their 18th birthday.

Well done Harry - you were, as usual, fantastic!

As usual - lots of interrogation of Harry’s tweets etc (yes I know the context of why this is) but Jane Fae - of domestic murder is due to domestic violence ‘gone wrong’ fame - is never interrogated on this.

Yes - Jane Fae’s pose was rather peculiar!

Here's the segment of Harry Miller on Politics North now on youtube:

Thank you Harry, you rock!

The whole point of a DBS will be rendered meaningless if anyone who's stated they believe in biological reality on twitter is included in the search. It'll get to the point where people do it as a box ticking exercise but don't place any weight in what it says.

Maybe that's the whole point of recording 'hate incidents' against people like Harry who not only have done nothing wrong, but are actually trying to stand up for (and 'be kind' to) women and girls. To undermine safeguarding.

It is interesting how saying people should 'be kind' is only something people ever seem to say in reference to 'being kind' to biological males. If it wasn't otherwise obvious who the biological males were (and it always is) then that would be a sure fire way to tell. No-one's ever worried about being kind to Posie, or Lisa M, or Kate Scottow or Selina Todd, or Caroline Farrow.

Lol at JF en diagonale

Interesting to see JF co-opting the safeguarding narrative.

I don't think JF is ever going to be very credible trying to talk about safeguarding seeing as JF's main aim seems to be to remove safeguards ("extreme porn", self ID etc)

Well, quite. So disingenuous and, frankly, troubling.

@Langbanned

Quite agree - girls and women to be kind so
males can access their private spaces which will include said males being allowed to view said girls and women in a state of undress without consent.

They can fuck right off.

There's so much one could say about that piece. However, I'll keep it brief. It was interesting how Olivia Blake MP couldn't even bring herself to look at Harry Miller. I think any of her constituents contacting her to express reservations about sex being replaced with gender would not get any kind of fair hearing.

I won't comment on Jane Fae.

Well that was a lesson in, I don't know how to describe it. Refusing to pussyfoot around the absolute bollocks and word salad a lot of pro TRA people spout.

The female MP veering wildly off topic to try and make an actual hate crime fit the narrative around Harry's not-a-hate-crime case.

Fae's gobsmacking public support of child safeguarding, whilst advocating to lower the legal age of participants involved in extreme porn.

And the other MP, having absolutely fuck all knowledge of any of it. Does he seriously think that incarcerated females need to 'be kind' to the rapists our would be leaders insist they are housed with???

Harrys what a cop out, was absolutely spot-on. It is a fucking cop out. Be kind women, whilst we get to look at you disrobing, in the loo, in prison showers, and get to represent you in all sorts of women only awards, sport and politics.

What a dingbat.

Harry thank you-that Male MP saying be kind is just not good enough-women are not shutting up about this & rightly so-we cannot allow males to be legally recognised as women-its insane.

Repeal the GRA !!!

The male MP should see examples of the violent threats that have been sent to women by TRAs, particularly those sent to lesbians including young women whove recently 'detransitioned'

'Be kind'. Dear Mr MP (and all others who say this)

The people who you want us to be kind to are being unkind and positively cruel to young girls: gaslighting them, taking away their safety, privacy, dignity and opportunity.

Treating them as less deserving of care and concern about their physical safety and feelings than that tiny minority we are exhorted to be kind to.

Taking away their access to education where they feel they cannot go to school without single sex facilities.

Refusing to even consider 3rd spaces which would help balance everyone's needs.

So, I'll save my kindness for the girls, thanks.

Jane Fae seemed to be suggesting that children need to be protected from rational discussion and critical thinking!

It's interesting what Fae thinks children should and shouldn't be protected from. I came across something Fae had written that said that Fae disagreed with "net nanny" type internet provider services because they were against the rights of the child.

Hazza, good to see you here, and thanks for all your efforts. I do wonder what TRAs imagine ordinary people think when they see Jane Fae putting the trans case.

LangBanned: The whole point of a DBS will be rendered meaningless if anyone who's stated they believe in biological reality on twitter is included in the search. It'll get to the point where people do it as a box ticking exercise but don't place any weight in what it says.

That’s a frightening likelihood that I hadn’t thought of. Certainly a tool in the trans anti-safeguarding kit.

The whole point of a DBS will be rendered meaningless if anyone who's stated they believe in biological reality on twitter is included in the search. It'll get to the point where people do it as a box ticking exercise but don't place any weight in what it says.

I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of thing was the intended outcome.