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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ForWomen.Scot banned from Glasgow Women's Library

76 replies

Dances · 28/02/2020 07:54

International best practice, my arse
mobile.twitter.com/E_Ben_Eta/status/1233179248573243393

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BringbackLang · 28/02/2020 09:31

I honestly think these actions will bite every single organisation who has done this and similar on the arse.

The TRA's are riding high over the power they weald but it's not sustainable. It won't last. The light is being shone and is highlighting all the bits they don't want you to see. You can see the backlash coming a mile off. I see it on social media, people are not having it anymore.

Women will remember who sold them out and treated them poorly.

littlbrowndog · 28/02/2020 09:35

I think you are right Lang.

Used to be ppl were to afraid to speak now it seems different.

But twitter still trying to stop the debate.

NonnyMouse1337 · 28/02/2020 09:37

Some cheek to be begging for donations after canceling a women's event!!
Apparently most of their funding is from the government anyway.
I'll send some money towards FWS. Thanks for the reminder.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 28/02/2020 09:41

Would this make a good court case? Should we dig?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 09:45

Is it really a women's library or is it actually one of those MRA set ups

GWL used to be a bastion of grassroots feminism. It has a great collection of texts, feminist history, ephemera, zines, etc. I used to find it a bit scary, actually, in the way that radical feminism can be a bit scary. But it's been entirely sunk by self righteous woke ideology now. All very well meaning, no doubt. But totally entrenched in TWAW and becoming quite hostile to any woman who doesn't agree.

Actually, thinking about it - I used to be scared to visit because it seemed to be very radical (I appreciate I probably misunderstood the term 'radical', thanks MNFWR) and now am scared to visit because it seems anti women. So, not really terribly useful as a 'woman's library' for this woman.

littlbrowndog · 28/02/2020 09:50

I wouldn’t have visited it before as I never really thought about feminism before I came here. Onto this board

Wouldn’t visit now as seems they don’t like women

Got the best education here and I can spread it

Glasgow womens library can do one

Aesopfable · 28/02/2020 09:53

definitelygc we don't need to have belief as a protected characteristics on this case - sex is already a protected characteristic and they are discriminating against women

littlbrowndog · 28/02/2020 09:53

.@womenslibrary I see you receive funding from Glasgow City Council Black & Minority Ethnic Women’s Project. If a group of BME women want to book meeting space but don’t want to include transwomen, will you allow it?

From twitter

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 09:58

Yes, I'd say Mumsnet is far more useful and relevant to the vast majority of women than GWL.

NonnyMouse1337 · 28/02/2020 10:04

If a group of BME women want to book meeting space but don’t want to include transwomen, will you allow it?

Ooohhh I'd be very interested to hear an answer to this!

youllhavehadyourtea · 28/02/2020 10:07

I have very fond memories of being mentored and nurtured at GWL about 10 years or so ago - before they moved to Bridgeton- by some amazing wonderful women.

I wonder if those women are still there...

Lordfrontpaw · 28/02/2020 10:15

I’m sure new women are there now.

weegiemum · 28/02/2020 10:19

That's so sad. I used to volunteer there. Wouldn't now!

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 10:24

Lots of the staff have been there for a long time. They do have a LOT of staff. Seem to get a lot of funding.

Yes, it is sad that they are excluding some women in exchange for including some males. What proportion of women in Scoltand support FWS' aims? What proportion support self ID?

youllhavehadyourtea · 28/02/2020 10:36

Yes I used to volunteer for a bit too, and I've still been referring women there . Will be rethinking this, and try and build stronger links with Amina from now on. It's a problem.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 28/02/2020 10:49

I think people who have donated/lent collections to this library need to recall them.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 28/02/2020 14:02

I wonder how they square this with their collection of second wave texts. Presumably they think these don't align to their values either 🤔

stumbledin · 28/02/2020 14:17

As someone mentioned above when it first started as a grass roots based archive it was very much WLM politics.

In fact one of the lesbian archives in england sent all their papers to them believing they were a better (politcally) organisation than the feminist archives that had all disappeared into mainstream libraries.

But this is what happens when you need lots of money to keep a building going. The Feminist Library in London now has shiny new premises and trans inclusive politics.

The Women's Library Glasgow are clearly saying we dont like your politics so you cant speak here. So it may depend on whether any of their funding streams have conditions about free / open speech.

But as we know the establishment in Scotland has been captured by the trans narrative and it is now accepted practice in universities, and libraries to categorise GC discussion as hate speech.

It looks like that yet again unless there is somehow a court case that says they are wrong, this will just be another example of how well planned long term strategies by trans activists going back over decades are bearing fruit for them - and nothing for women. Angry

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 28/02/2020 15:45

For contrast, the Scottish Poetry Library have said they won't tolerate no-platforming, harassment etc (some TRAs were trying to get contacts cancelled etc). This has made the poor TRAs wery wery sad ("extremely distressed"). At some point, they will claim that abusing women is a human right at this rate.

Anyway, good on SPL. Give them some love.
twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1233403159890055168?s=20

Thinkingabout1t · 28/02/2020 22:35

Oh, good for the Scottish Poetry Library! Great that someone will stand up for women, but too bad it's not the women's library.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 29/02/2020 12:24

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/libraries-caught-in-war-of-words-as-trans-rights-dispute-escalates-fx0tt8zbc

Tale of two libraries. The abuse the women poets have received is shocking! The TRAs are "extremely distressed" because they've been told it's not acceptable. Harry Giles is a real piece of work.

Guess which library Engender Scotland, as a feminist group, chose to defend? The one saying "don't bully women" or the one deplatforming them...?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 29/02/2020 14:41

Just came here looking for that article, Alice! Does anyone have a share token?

Aesopfable · 29/02/2020 19:35

Engender Scotland is not a feminist group. They swallow TWAW in order to get government funding. And I think it was they who in one of the recent government consultations simply said “we agree with Scottish Trans Alliance and you should ask them”

BetsyM00 · 29/02/2020 22:15

Scrimshaw
Share token of Times article: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5eeeebe0-5a72-11ea-8d8f-51ad578bbcfe?shareToken=be0ef0886ce7b9313954f18c58b69b37

Archived: archive.ph/uqg8p

There was also a good article in the Spectator today:
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/are-womens-libraries-still-a-safe-space-for-women/

ScrimshawTheSecond · 29/02/2020 23:29

Aw, thank you Betsy! I went out and got a paper copy. :)

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