Lent Talk to be given by Rachel Mann on Radio 4 on Trans Identity

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Rachel Mann was one of the witnesses on the recent Moral Maze programme. Here is the Radio Times blurb for the upcoming talk:

"Anglican priest Rachel Mann reflects on the events leading up to Jesus' crucifixion and on her journey of identity as a trans woman."

Does anyone else find that juxtaposition a little....I can't quite find the appropriate word...

I can confirm it really is a load of illogical gobbledegook.

(I’ve got a theology degree)

"I genuinely misread that and thought I'd missed some biblical interpretation!"

I did too and was not even surprised

I'm wondering now if the term 'queering' has ever appeared in anything that wasn't illogical gobbledegook?

I suppose if you believe in miracles such as the resurrection it gives you a head start in believing that a man can miraculously become a woman.

No, not the same category of things at all.

I have seen a talk by Rachel, it was pomo supreme and you just know any theological argument offered is just self serving, as in the example above.

The clip is a perfect example- the delivery is weird.

Progressive Christianity eh, a couple of years ago there was 'glitter ash' on Ash Wednesday in order to remember the LGBTQIA ++ community.

Wow, I find that pretty flipping offensive.

Though as an Anglican myself I find people like Mann mostly just very embarrassing.

I suppose if you believe in miracles such as the resurrection it gives you a head start in believing that a man can miraculously become a woman.

You'd think, but not really. Christianity teaches that humans are meant for eternal life, so a resurrection is a restoration of the proper order of things. But they also teach that your body is you, and male and female are original types - so changing a man into a woman or vice versa would be a disruption of the natural order, almost a kind of violence, making something other than itself.

Is everything about themselves?

Maybe that poster was thinking more along the lines of water into wine - or perhaps the idea of transsubstantiation.

ffs, maybe for Lent the Rev could give up self-bloody-obsession and take up thought-and-care-for-female-parishioners? Idk, just a thought.

Now that would take a miracle!

So we're queering children and primary schools and now queering Christianity. Have I got that right?

It's weird that on the one hand Mann says to Kiri Tunks: "I mean, looking at you now, and I’m not judging you by genetic criteria, I’m actually just encountering you as a woman, as I hope you’re encountering me as a woman" so implying she is the same as Kiri.

But Mann has been on a journey And Tunks hasn't?

It's all very confusing

Around the turn of the century, I was dealing with post modern ramblings in the Evangelical church, and I very much view it now as one of the sand pits the Queer theorists were testing out their ideas before launching them into more 'high impact' arenas like the political nonsense we've been holding back in the past couple of years.

I know that if you haven't been religious, it probably all looks like nonsense anyway, but believe it or not, theological systems are quite internally consistent and logical once specific prepositions are accepted, and I've watched very conservative evangelical settings succumb to the theological 'queering' and in terms of the language of identity, rejection of objective truth and a whole lot of pressure to be kind to remain accepted, it looks very similar to what we've seen in the political and institutional spheres.

Your 5 minute warning to start up Radio 4 so you can have a cathartic shouting at the radio experience.

I yelled at the bloody trailer. Gave the man at the dry cleaners a jump...

Can't listen now, but I hope it features the Reverend's poem about teenage girls and their fleshy pendulum arses. It's a great insight into this person's "journey".

ThePurported, have you got any kind of link to that poem? In case any of my misogynistic woke bro happy clappy mates posts this stuff?

To save anyone else the time, to me it was basically CoE burbling with more than normal ME ME ME (having a trans flavour).

"The body... is transformed in such a way that that body still bears the marks of woundedness, of exclusion, of loss, of being pushed out of the world"
This reminds me of feminist comments about Jesus and the crucifixion being very S&M-obsessed, this fixation on the pain and suffering and bodily distortion. And then we have the same here, where the surgical and/or hormonal 'transformation' of the body is seen as visible (assuming you don't pass) evidence of your suffering (and spiritual worth?), your very own stigmata. The link with Eve (and trying to claim that all females are somehow transed by god in Genesis), the neato flip with male Jesus being a clone of Mary, just makes it crystal clear here that the ultimate belief is that woman doesn't actually exist. We go from Adam, to Eve/Mary, and then back to Jesus, women were just an intermediary phase on that journey from the Old to the New testament, and hence one that your standard male can follow as well (and hence achieve godhood at the end!).

Think I might write and complain. Lenten talk not in line with the lenten values of sacrifice, charity and selflessness. Instead focusing on the individual and importance of outward presentation.

Wonder if any Christian organisations would agree? Maybe the Roman Catholics?

Oh God! Can't believe I'm thinking of contacting the catholic church cause I'm worried about the protection of children! The irony.
I was brought up Catholic.

iguanadonna

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