Cartoon in the Morning Star

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Kristina Harrison (prominent gender. critical transwoman, WPUK supporter) just posted this on Twitter - apparently it was published in the Morning Star.

KH wrote “This cartoon appeared in The Morning Star earlier this week @MStarOnline It is a horrific, generalised demonisation of trans people which does not belong in a civilised society, let alone a socialist newspaper. I condemn it utterly. Trans people & progressive opponents of identity politics are owed an unequivocal apology, an explanation & reassurance about what action is being taken to ensure that the line between fierce but legitimate argument and bigotry is never crossed again. Totally unacceptable. (not posting a direct link as I don’t want to facilitate any pile on against Kristina, clearly this is a sensitive personal issue for a transwoman).

Comments are supportive of KH so far. I thought it’d be a good topic for discussion here - does this ‘demonise trans people’ or does it baldly illustrate safeguarding concerns with self-ID? Is it different from the popular/accepted(?) ‘Fox identifying into the henhouse’ analogy? Hopefully we can keep things civil and respectful with no personal criticisms of Kristina.

These allies are all Adam.
With or without apples.

I think certain amongst them have been deliberately building up a bank of favours.

I think some favours were definitely called in re the cartoon. There was a lot of simpering 'are you ok' 'you shouldn't have to deal with this' etc

Just looked at KH timeline of complaints interesting there was plenty of polite disagreement from followers more, disagreements than agreement on fact. No drama or nastiness.

Seems the leaders and intellectuals feel they have to protect certain people as a prize and have got themselves in a position where they can't disagree or they will lose their prize. It's all rather distasteful.

I think WPUK's condemnation of the cartoon was one of the first examples of that.

I agree. It's frustrating that women aren't allowed to have robust cartoons about politics which is important to them. It would have been more interesting if WPUK could have discussed what it meant, as people were doing here, rather than just dismiss it.

But as you say, they are trying to work with the approval of men who describe themselves as women, that puts them in a more difficult position.

WanderinWomb There will also likely be friendships.

If any of my friends had acted like Harrison did they'd no longer be my friend. People need to have higher standards.

Disappointing about WP UK. I think their platforming of KH and DH was well intentioned and strategic but is backfiring on them now. I do not believe KH or DH are allies of women and their ultimate cause is themselves.

I think allies in general is a stupid thing.
Can't everyone just do their own thing and work together when it suits them?

To be blunt, I couldn't care an iota less!

That's a transwoman saying that a cartoon makes her feel how many women feel. You'll get the same response those women have been getting, love : "tough shit"

I won't be nice about it, I won't apologise for hurted feelings, I won't act/think according to my socialisation. I'll respond as an individual and this individual has noted the hipocrasy and won't let it lie!

WPUK has to tread a delicate path. KH and DH are both gender-critical: good! But they are both still left-wing activists, pushing the Labour button of "inclusivity" for Trans (including obviously the mysogynist TRAs): bad. The task is still ahead of us: to separate T from LGB and regain acceptance for truth that no man can become a woman or vice versa, and in doing this undercut the platforms of KH and DH. Conclusion: use them as allies for a while. But the long-term goal is to sideline them. We should now point to MALE detransitioners like Walt Heyer and someone called Richard Hoskins - reported last month in Daily Mail, interviewed on Victoria Derbyshire show: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7911163/Richard-Hoskins-detransitioned-four-years-living-woman-did-escape-past.html

No doubt some heterosexual males will continue to seek to advance their own priorities.

Its likely that their focus will be/has been to secure allyship with those they think will have more power/influence eg LGB Alliance, socialist/ TU networks (men?)
WPUK no doubt have been a useful stepping stone for some
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Wiley people don't allow themselves to be used as allies and then dropped when they have served their purpose. They expect something in return.

Delurking to say that, whatever your views on the rights and wrongs of the cartoon, it's a bit bloody hypocritical of Harrison and Hayton to condemn it given that it's totally in line with the type of stuff they've been banging on about themselves for a long time now.

Wiley people don't allow themselves to be used as allies and then dropped when they have served their purpose.

No doubt some women will have been convinced, DARVO style, that they have been the ones 'using' allies & that 'dropping them' would be disloyal & unprincipled?

it's a bit bloody hypocritical of Harrison and Hayton to condemn it given that it's totally in line with the type of stuff they've been banging on about themselves for a long time now

Makes me wonder if part of the outrage they felt was to test who would jump to their defence and who would not.

No doubt some women will have been convinced, DARVO style, that they have been the ones 'using' allies & that 'dropping them' would be disloyal & unprincipled?

Totally agree R0.

Makes me wonder if part of the outrage they felt was to test who would jump to their defence and who would not.

I think it's probably more a case of you can write lots of articles but sometimes seeing what you've written translated into one fairly in your face image like that cartoon can be a shock, even if it is a pretty accurate portrayal of what you've been writing. Looking at KH and DH's Twitter accounts, I can't see what they have to complain about.

I think this cartoon is awful. It’s not funny for a start but it’s based on a stereotype and myth. The overwhelming violence against women is by heterosexual men. Using a rare example to demonise all transgendered women is appalling.

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Chriscam - that's entirely the point. This argument is about male predators. They don't need to have gender dysphoria to identify as women. There is no gatekeeping. With self-id, the only difference between men and women is the words they say.

No one on the GC side thinks Karen White is genuinely transgender, but White was put into a women's prison all the same purely because White said the magic words, and women paid the price for this "inclusion".

Ffs just catching up on this thread, Harrison got an apology truly they have no ducking idea how many offensive things women have to put up with and never get an apology and they got one for being offended over a cartoon, a cartoon not a rape threat, not a threat to beat them with a baseball, not a death threat, not a threat to their children, but a cartoon where they didn't like what it implied about them using woman's facilities

The overwhelming violence against women is by heterosexual men.

I don't think anybody on this thread would disagree with that. Heterosexual males are indeed the problem.

One can see why some married heterosexual males might be a bit miffed to have this pointed out.

Those pesky heterosexual males. Someone should really point out that they're a risk factor. Maybe something simple, like a cartoon, would do it?