Labour phone canvasser whingeing about transphobia

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Self-identified, obvs - might be bollocks. But it's interesting:

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia

Can you define transphobia for us? Is it when men reject men who say they are women, for example? Or make it hard for transmen to use male facilities?

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia? I don't mean the MN interpretation of it, I mean actual transphobia.

Who's objecting to condemning genuine transphobic?

I think Helen has been banned, DickKerr.

Ahh, such a shame. Personally, I'm not sure I'd spend that much time on a site I was banned from, let alone admit to it on twitter.

To be clear, Helen: there were already something like 60 replies when I posted this thread. Not one was in sympathy with Ben.

And I chose a screenshot rather than a link so as not to encourage a pile on.

(And then I invoked my time bending powers to go back 14 hours, summon the viper sign and bring all the Terven to the yard. Obvs )

I saw Ash Sarkars 'facts don't care about your feelings' tweet (retweeted by Owen Jones) and actually chuckled out loud!

The way she thinks it's such a win, such a gotcha, with seemingly zero awareness of the irony when it comes to her stance on trans ideology.

Are these people truly this hard of thinking, or are they willfully just hoping that no one notices the irony and hypocrisy?

The irony of being called bigots from a group of people who are so eager to avoid the opinions of others that they used #nodebate to helpfully signal their bigotry.

And I chose a screenshot rather than a link so as not to encourage a pile on.

Shhhh - don't let pesky things like facts and reality get in the way of a good frothing up on twitter! Aint that right, Helen? Gotta keep pushing the bullshit.

Some people must be shitting themselves. Imagine having to explain why you gave your child untested drugs and surgery once everyone realises. The doctors practising from abroad. The staff leaving the Tavistock. And still some push on to get this child abuse taught in schools?

I'd be over invested in keeping people quiet too.

I'm wondering whether this is the first time Ben has needed to discuss this outside the echo chamber?

With no debate, safe spaces, no platforming it actually must come as a hell of a surprise to realise that it's his views that are actually the fringe views.

Thanks for the link TheWordWoman I have filled out the survey to explain my disgust at why labour lost, putting the blame firmly on anti women policies.

If you think there are a lot of trans faith unbelievers in the Labour party wait til you get a look at the real world

These Labour fools are like that Japanese solider in the jungle who carried on fighting WW2 for years, not believing it had ended. If they took a step outside and looked back in, they'd see an Emperor striding about completely in the nudey, like we all do.

he's also tweeted how sad that there were transphobe hecklers in the audience at the Hustle thing.

Is there a special URL to register for one of these calls? Like a radio competition where they call you back?

Like "www.labour.org.uk/callawoman" or something?

The word terf has already been designated by a judge as a slur, or hate speech, I believe.

The word transphobe is fast becoming synonymous with 'woman who stands up for her rights which means I can shout and swear at her'.

It's genuinely sounding just like witch and bitch.

Good questions HandsOffMyRights.

Can you define transphobia for us? Is it when men reject men who say they are women, for example? Or make it hard for transmen to use male facilities?

YY Datun - and now they can't claim they don't know about it or haven't seen it.

Plus not everyone does Twitter...
Me for example. The only grown ups that I know who use Twitter do it for work, not personally.

Oh hai Mimmymum. Just can't stay away.

MN gets a mention on the twitter thread, apparently the ratio is all your fault. A thread started here an hour an a half ago managed to instigate a "pile on" which started on the twitter thread 14 hours ago. I'm in awe of you magical powers, how do you do it?

According to that particular Tweeter, MN posters are responsible for everything bad and global warming was directly caused by a pile on by Regan funded nuns, gin and a large cauldron. (In which FWR netters were cooking the magic chicken that feeds a family of nine for a year.)

It's all getting so obviously silly now that the desperation is plain. 'Transphobia' simply means 'has boundaries'. You can't stick most of the UK in gulags, Labour.

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

No one objects to genuine transphobia, (no transperson should be attacked, denied a job, home, benefits etc)

But it's like that fable "The Boy who cried Wolf"
We've all heard the accusation "transphobe" thrown around frequently over the most innocuous situation, and above all else, women are frequently accused of being "transphobic" for supporting women. Supporting women's rights. Understanding human biology. Understanding facts.

Now, the word "transphobia" signals to me, and to most people, that a woman has said something true, factual or something that supports women.

It no longer means what it is supposed to mean.
Especially when coming from a Labour Party canvasser.

Now, the word "transphobia" signals to me, and to most people, that a woman has said something true, factual or something that supports women.

YY, and the way the tweet is worded - that there a LOT (not my emphasis) of transphobes in the party - suggests that either LOTS of people are openly saying that they hate trans people and admitting to being discriminatory or attacking trans people... or that people think that humans can't change sex.

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

Because 'transphobia' means refusing to support homophobia and the exclusion of female homosexuals who resist conversion therapy and pressure to offer straight sex to males; refusing to agree that females should be stripped of their sex based rights, the right to organise as a class, the right to be a class therefore removing their political rights; refusing to abandon childsafeguarding on the grounds that a rainbow flag changes normal policy and that female children's rights to be safe varies according to the subjective choices of male children; that totalitarianism and politicisation of the police is wrong..... you know, stuff like that.

The word is being used as a trojan horse, to get you to hurry to say 'of COURSE i'm not' without thinking what it is that they have coerced you into validating. This is the moment when the sweetie catcher's van drops its glittery rainbow sides and you see the bars around you.

I am getting SO SICK of the definition of "transphobia" becoming "disagrees with me"

Or "doesn't recognise how speshul I am"

Can someone explain what is the objection to condemning transphobia?

It's a good question. In my mind, there is no question that we should condemn transphobia.

The problem is that 'transphobia' has become a catchall term to throw at anyone who doesn't agree with gender ideology extremists and transactivists. Or even those who are not sure, and can see merit on all sides of the debate, but can also see the bullying, the doxxing, and the actual - not literal - violence which has been meted out to women.

'Transphobia" has become the new "burn the witch" dogwhistle, directed particularly at feminists who understand the difference between sex and gender, and want to maintain women's rights to:

• define ourselves
• meet together without men
• keep ourselves safe
• offer single-sex spaces in the public sphere as sanctuary and for privacy and dignity

When I'm asked if I think that transwomen are women? I am genuinely torn in my answer. I'm torn between respecting the position of the transwomen I know as friends, and my knowledge of biology.

'Transphobia' as the term is now used, doesn't allow for feminists to acknowledge the gap between our personal experience (maybe of old-school 'transexuals') and our understanding of the broader social structures of patriarchy.