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Fitness is feminist

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scrappydappydoooooo · 19/02/2020 11:11

Like a growing number of women as I started to head towards middle-age I decided to focus on my physical health. I became a parent in my mid-30s when I had already become slightly over-weight and through early parenthood, sleeplessness, my marriage ending, increased need to drive rather than walk, had bit by bit slid towards medical obesity and was deeply unfit. I lost weight through diet and by chance fell into a sport I am completely in love with. As I progressed at the sport I not only became fitter from it but started to include complimentary fitness activities into my life to make me better at my sport. At a couple of events I actually managed to scrape onto the list of 'elite athlete' competitors, (ie, finisher 198 of the top 200 in the athletic time zone). I entered my field too late in life to ever be world class but being able compete at the level I do is something that was genuinely confined to my wildest dreams a couple of years ago.

So far so good. But I'm now relatively 'well built.' My arms, shoulders, core and legs are strong and muscular. When I'm wearing a vest, regardless of how I hold my arms, you can see visible muscle definition. My calf muscles are obvious in flat shoes. When I'm sitting my thighs have visible definition. And I get sooooooo many shitty comments about it from people who are genuinely well meaning. Apparently I really need to be careful because I am 'starting to look like a man.' Now I know that people often have a completely different image of themselves in their heads to how they actually look. But I think I can definitively say I look absolutely fucking nothing like a man. I believe (I know) I look how a strong, healthy woman has evolved to be. Women also evolved biceps and triceps and abdominals and quads and calves. We evolved them for a fucking reason and somewhere along the way, it was decided in order to be a proper woman we shouldn't do activities that allow us to use our muscles to the fullness of our abilities.

And the thing is, by not developing our bodies we suffer in so many ways. I have experienced pain from a back injury I suffered in college for 20 years. But in the last 2 years it has completely disappeared. By building a strong core, I alleviated the pressure on my back and pain I've felt all my adult life went away. I should have been helped to build my core in the early aftermath of that injury and I'd have been spared actual decades of pain. But none of the many, many medical professionals I saw seemed to have a clue that my lack of strength was preventing me from healing. I look at my mother who from middle age has suffered from so many weaknesses, increases in pain, loss of bone density, flexibility, etc. And I'm really bloody angry that she was never encouraged to be strong. To exercise in a way that would build her muscles, strengthen her bones, ease pressure on her joints and lessen the impact of ageing. The vast, vast majority of women are going through life suffering needlessly because society tells us not to be strong. That developing the muscles on our women's bodies will make us too 'manly' and we should avoid it.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 11:15

you get shitty comments from people?

who are these people? Can you boot them out of your life?

I had a boss who used to take the piss out of Madonna's arms. One day I just said straight "If you want to make those comments, can you not make them in front of me please". I think it was just the right side of "shut up" without getting the sack.

the sad thing is, she was a sensible person. I hope that what I said made her stop and think.

FFSFFSFFS · 19/02/2020 11:16

Yep that's crap.

I would say that I've noticed a trend in "hollywood" women having lovely toned arms. And I do think there is a shift towards recognising the value in strength in women.

I would seriously call them out when they say it. As in that's an odd view - why do you think that women's muscles should not be strong but mens should be. Then drop and do 20.

AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 11:19

also I had a spinal injury 6 years ago and recovery was very focussed on a strong core, so I hope the medical profession are up to date on all this!

Deliriumoftheendless · 19/02/2020 11:20

It’s very hard for a woman to train enough to actually “look like a man” and sometimes steroids are involved.

As you say, women have all these muscles, if we train we develop the muscle but still look different to men. Even the female bodybuilders I know look nothing like the men I know (body builders or otherwise).

Muscular woman used to be a fetish for some men but now muscle is a way for us to define ourselves (no pun intended!). But society still seems, in the main, to see women as “skinny” or “curvy”. The more women who train the more conventional it will seem.
I also agree women have no been encouraged to be physically strong in the past (although before things like electric washers etc women were strong from general household maintenance) but at school I was not taught to do push ups, pull up etc as it was “for boys” (girls did aerobics). I teach these things to my daughter and encourage her to see strength as desirable and I don’t focus on appearance but capability).

Well done on your progress too!

scrappydappydoooooo · 19/02/2020 11:30

who are these people? Can you boot them out of your life?

Friends, family, friends of family, co-workers, acquaintances. But none of the comments are meant meanly. It's all genuine concern that a woman shouldn't look muscular. Our whole society has been conditioned for pretty much most of recent history that women shouldn't look strong.

I've also heard the Madonna comments. And I've been compared to Serena Williams but in a negative way. As in, 'be careful or you'll start to look like a man like Serena Williams.' I do straight up say, that I don't look like a man, I look like a strong woman. And that by being strong I am already avoiding health problems and am far more likely to stave off more as I get older.

People do genuinely have a belief that women shouldn't be strong. I suspect it's come from centuries of patriarchal classism. Peasant women would be strong from the physical work or farming and later factory work. But aristocratic women didn't have to work, so could stay delicate and that became the ideal of femininity.

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AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 11:47

OP I honestly wouldn't have friends like that

in terms of co-workers, you're stuck. Acquaintances you can ditch or address a sharp remark to them.

Friends of family - I stopped dealing with certain family friends when they became obsessed with me being single and childfree. I literally refused to go to any events where they would be in attendance. This went on for years. I had to reacquaint myself with them after dad's death, but it seems they've learned to shut up.

UpfieldHatesWomen · 19/02/2020 11:48

I've had comments like this, that if you train to hard you'll end up looking like a man. I don't think it would be possible for me to ever look like a man no matter how hard I tried. I think it's a combination of guilt that they don't work out and jealousy, as well as a sexist idea that women are supposed to be skinny or curvy but not strong. I've gained a lot of benefits for aches and pains, posture, energy, mental health and confidence from weight training, before we even move onto looks. Others seem to think women are only supposed to work out for aesthetics and the goal is still to get skinny. When you weight train you need to eat enough to build muscle too, and so I'll get snarky comments and looks when I eat anything other than salad too. It's as though they're looking for me to be a failure at keeping fit and healthy or something and that I'm 'runing my diet', all very bitter. I'm not on a diet, I try to eat healthy 80% of the time and that's it. I think these judgements are coming from people's own hangups with their bodies and disordered eating.

AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 11:49

Upfield "so I'll get snarky comments and looks when I eat anything other than salad too"

once again, I find myself wondering who these people are....

UpfieldHatesWomen · 19/02/2020 11:50

Colleagues, not people I choose to be around for sure! Possibly narcs too.

AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 11:51

Upfield oh I see.

feelingverylazytoday · 19/02/2020 11:53

Very well said, OP.
I like being fit as well ,though unfortunately not in your league,I do mainly swimming. I loved wearing a vest last year, showing my defined arms and shoulders. Couldn't care less if some people think it looks masculine (though I've not heard anyone say so, to be fair). I love the work out look on both men and women, not necessarily big muscles just where you can tell that the person does some physical exercise.
Osteoporosis is a big problem for older women and everyone should be encouraged to do both resistance and cardio training.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/02/2020 11:56

Peasant women would be strong from the physical work or farming and later factory work. But aristocratic women didn't have to work, so could stay delicate and that became the ideal of femininity.

Tans used to be considered in the same way, until the advent of eg Coco Chanel when they started to signify people with money and leisure to travel. There may be something of the same with the Hollywood (and Michelle Obama) 'toned' arms. However, that word 'toned'...

It's definitely a feminist issue. Women's gendered weakness compounds our biological differences. That's a harmful circle.

Reginabambina · 19/02/2020 12:00

Most women can have normally maintained muscles without very visible definition. To have defined muscles you either have to be genetically inclined to large muscles (more common in men), have low body fat, or have oversized muscles. I’m sorry that you’ve had shorty comments but it’s not ok to imply that women who aren’t visibly muscley aren’t healthy. The reality is that many women have to do unhealthy things to get visible muscles. I’ve had above average muscle in the past (used to trek up mountains carrying stuff) and I’ve not been overweight. My muscles have never been noticeable. Can we just not say that what matters is that you’re healthy as opppsed to the way you look?

UpfieldHatesWomen · 19/02/2020 12:03

Regina I think there's some massive projection going on in your post, I didn't get that from the OP at all.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/02/2020 12:05

I’m sorry that you’ve had shorty comments but it’s not ok to imply that women who aren’t visibly muscley aren’t healthy

I don't think the OP was implying that at all.

ScapaFlo · 19/02/2020 12:17

You sound fab, OP, and good for you! I'd love to know which sport has had such a fantastic effect.

I'm ex military and used to be fit but now I'm a middle aged blob and very unmotivated. Invisible, unnecessary, useless middle aged woman. I get dismissed out of hand wherever I go, even within my own family. Haters gonna hate, whether it's because you're toned and fab or flabby and old.

A friend started weight training to combat middle aged spread and now has a very low percentage body fat but not that much definition, she doesn't have the build. But she is so strong. Amazing.

Wish I could find the motivation. I'd be beefy because I'm that body type, I'd have to be careful not to bulk up too much.

AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 12:18

Scapa "I get dismissed out of hand wherever I go, even within my own family."

do you mind if I ask what you mean by that?

ScapaFlo · 19/02/2020 12:20

Oh and I remember the explosion of articles in magazines and newspapers about how to get toned arms when Michelle Obama became First Lady.

ScapaFlo · 19/02/2020 12:26

AutumnRose I'm five stone overweight Blush and I can never get my opinion heard by my siblings, they just dismiss me. One of them even said in a meeting that the others shouldn't listen to me because I couldn't control my weight. My mother was overweight after having children and my father was relentless in his criticism of her size - therefore we as children were taught to despise fat people. I've realised that that is what happened to us, but my siblings haven't yet.

My father was a git.

AutumnRose1 · 19/02/2020 12:31

Scapa My jaw hit the floor there. OMD.

ScapaFlo · 19/02/2020 12:40

Autumn thanks. I look back at family photos and my mum wasn't even huge, probably a size 14 but she is only 5 foot, so definitely overweight, I think she weighed 10 stone.

I need to get moving more

nibdedibble · 19/02/2020 12:42

I like your OP. I'd love to be stronger. I think I have accepted that at my age I will never be slim but strong feels great. Even building up a little bit of strength in my core makes a difference to how I feel.

I have a friend who is tall and large and an absolute powerhouse of strength. I'm on her side when the apocalypse hits.

Siameasy · 19/02/2020 12:47

I think the thing that flipped me over into loving fitness was deciding that I am not doing this for appearance but for achievement. And the minute you stop caring about the male gaze-you are OUT and a threat. Women play sheepdog with women just as much as men.

RuffleCrow · 19/02/2020 12:48

I bet you look awesome op. But how you look is not what matters - it's how you feel that counts. You're a woman so people are always going to comment on your looks, but you can choose not to give a shit.

FloralBunting · 19/02/2020 12:52

At a feminist event last year, one of the speakers said that making sure you were as fit and healthy as you could be, and perhaps taking up a form of self defense, was a really good, practical thing for a woman to do for herself.

I started weight training and rowing off the back of that, and it's been a tremendous thing, in terms of my own physical abilities.