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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emails to Liz Truss and the response of the Government Equalities Office

110 replies

MrsSnippyPants · 17/02/2020 12:39

I am going to publish an email trail here, which I believe shows just how far regulatory capture has gone. It shows how questions are ignored, words twisted, and the LAW, the Equality Act 2010 is wilfully misrepresented.
Here goes.....

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gardenbird48 · 21/01/2021 10:38

I meant to say they’ve put a fresh batch of responses up but mine still isn’t on it Hmm

highame · 21/01/2021 12:53

I found the Judges submission very reassuring gardenbird

TheFleegleHasLanded · 21/01/2021 12:56

The Judge's submission did concern me; she admitted their training was done only by 'trans' people, including Stephen Whittle.

It seems to me, training for ALL judges, whatever their role, should involve a damn sight more ordinary women, who are often on the receiving end of their appalling decisions.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 21/01/2021 12:58

Here's the thread gardenbird

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4100396-GRA-reform?pg=1

UppityPuppity · 21/01/2021 13:11

Can anyone help me locate the RCN response?

Stonewall Champion.

gardenbird48 · 21/01/2021 16:47

thanks Fleegle - my search skills are a bit rubbish.

Uppity here it is. Support of self-id, tbf it is not worse than some of them but my mil was a nurse and I know a number of nurses and they would be horrified by this and I expected a little bit more of a sensible approach from the RCN. I wonder if they asked their members for their views?

2.3 The Fair Care for Trans and non-binary patients aims to support nursing staff to maintain strong patient-centred approaches that place the rights, preferences and voices of trans and non-binary staff at the heart of care and health policy-making. it would be nice if women could get a little look in, although if they are only referring to trans policies I could have given that point the benefit of the doubt, but....

4. Recommendations
4.1 The RCN expects that the Inquiry will identify the steps that will need to be taken by a wide range of organisations to swiftly improve the opportunities that trans people have to self-define their gender identity.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18117/pdf/

MoleSmokes · 22/01/2021 00:23

This bit is not very reassuring:

”I am a co-author of the Judicial College’s Equal Treatment Bench Book (ETBB) and a member of its editorial panel. I sit on the Diversity Steering Committee of the Judges’ Council and I am a member of the Diversity Task Force”

The ETBB is responsible for the fact that if a rapist decides he is a woman then the court will require the victim to refer to the rapist as “she” and “her” on pain of being found in contempt of court.

Maria MacLachlan was required by the judge to use female pronouns when referring to the person who physically assaulted her. She complied but the judge decided she had done so with poor grace and docked her compensation accordingly.

”He (the judge) called my inability to comply with the request to pretend that my violent male assailant is a woman “bad grace”; he called the fact that, several weeks after the assault and prior to Wolf being arrested, I had tweeted an unkind joke about him, “foolish”. Apparently, I should have just put up and shut up and never mentioned him again. These, as far as I recall, were the factors he used to find me guilty of being too uppity to compensate.”

Continued at:

“The ostensible trial of Tara Wolf – Part 2”
www.peaktrans.org/blog-the-ostensible-trial-of-tara-wolf-part-2/

The ETBB also requires everyone else involved in the case, including the judge, to use female pronouns.

Newspaper reports of court cases have to accurately report the actual proceedings. It is the ETBB that leads to articles that are (apparently) about female rapists.

MoleSmokes · 22/01/2021 00:25

@highame

I found the Judges submission very reassuring gardenbird
Quote fell off my reply above.
ChoosandChipsandSealingWax · 22/01/2021 07:39

[quote gardenbird48]Sorry I can’t find the the longer more recent thread about the call for evidence re GRA reform and the responses which seem to be taking forever but this thread looked quite good anyway.

Bizarrely they have also included a response that was clearly intended for the toilets call for evidence which is still open.

There are some absolute shockers - the RCN is keen to throw women under the bus and the GMB.

This one was interesting though - it is from the Judge who preside over the GRC panel and describes the process in detail.
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/19562/pdf/[/quote]
Does anyone have the link to the toilets call for evidence?? I am enraged by Biden and fancy letting it out with a letter-writing, evidence-giving spree...

highame · 22/01/2021 08:55

The reason I felt assured, (I should have said) was that they follow the law, entirely. That's what we want isn't it. I want the GRA repealed but until and unless that happens, the best I can hope for is that the process is governed by legal imperatives and not emotional ones.

The are responsible for upholding the law during the process. The rest is down to other people/organisations

gardenbird48 · 22/01/2021 09:05

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/toilet-provision-for-men-and-women-call-for-evidence

Here you go Choosand - fill your boots :-))

dyslek · 23/01/2021 14:19

tbf at least they responded. The Labour Party has decided the concerns of women are below consideration if the ignoring of my emails are anything to go by.

I know for a fact my Labour female MP is gender critical but wont speak on the matter for fear of the backlash.

highame · 23/01/2021 15:05

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

highame · 23/01/2021 15:07

Ass as originally intended

gardenbird48 · 24/01/2021 08:55

@dyslek

tbf at least they responded. The Labour Party has decided the concerns of women are below consideration if the ignoring of my emails are anything to go by.

I know for a fact my Labour female MP is gender critical but wont speak on the matter for fear of the backlash.

That is extremely concerning. If our elected representatives can’t (or won’t) represent our concerns to parliament then that is a bad day for democracy.
Needmoresleep · 24/01/2021 23:08

Good and bad news

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9182285/Boris-Johnson-Liz-Truss-senior-role-plans-promote-female-ministers-reshuffle.html

The Mail is suggesting that both Liz Truss and Kemi Badenoch are tipped for promotion in a reshuffle after the local elections in May. Stonewall have already been making noises about Truss being too busy with Trade to cover Equalities as well. They would love to see the back of her.

Let’s hope she gets to keep the portfolio. And if not, that it goes to someone else with spine. The worst outcome would be Boris losing his nerve and appointing someone keen to appease Stonewall.

GreenUp · 25/01/2021 00:56

Knowing this government, Boris will probably give the portfolio to Crispin Blunt or Caroline Noakes just to drum up some culture war furore headlines to hide the release of the next UK COVID death record.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/01/2021 01:32

Yes I have thought the same.

RozWatching · 25/01/2021 12:06

Agree that BJ's interest is purely in the 'culture wars'. He could be persuaded to go for a Stonewall-friendly option depending on input from his advisers and corporate activists.

People underestimate how hard Liz Truss has had to fight with her own party. And it's very unlikely that she will keep the portfolio esp now that they are planning on finally creating a separate post for Women & Eq.

Imnobody4 · 25/01/2021 13:22

Are they creating a separate post for Women's & Equalities?

RozWatching · 25/01/2021 13:37

Possibly. There's a new consultation open at the moment, I'll see if I can find the thread.

highame · 25/01/2021 16:05

committees.parliament.uk/work/947/the-role-of-the-geo-embedding-equalities-across-government/

Sounds to me like Blunt et all are trying to push for a TWAW candidate but I'm not sure he'll get his way

highame · 25/01/2021 16:09

This consultation only has a short life of mid-Feb. Think they're hoping no one will respond. I am going to complete shortly and will be pointing out that the Women and Equalities might not be fit for purpose given how women were treated when they gave evidence about GRA reform. I want a separate women's Secretary of State, unaligned to other equalities because it is unique and all other inequality headings have women - race, religion, race, disability etc etc so we need something distinct.

MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 02:30

highame - ” I want a separate women's Secretary of State, unaligned to other equalities because it is unique and all other inequality headings have women - race, religion, race, disability etc etc so we need something distinct.”

Good point! It needs to be sex-based, female though or it will fall straight away to a power-grab by the less than 1% who think it is their god-given right to dictate terms to the 99%

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