Caroline Flack and CPS criticism

[whatnow40]

Posting here as I haven't seen anyone else really question this. The CPS are being criticised for pursuing a prosecution, even though the alleged victim said he didn't support it and did not want to prosecute.

Am I wrong in thinking it's not up to the victim? And the CPS should be supported in pursuing a prosecution for domestic violence where there is enough evidence to not need a victims statement? Is there a policy on this? I just think that if this was alleged male on female violence, more questions would be asked about this aspect.

Yes she was scared of the consequences, and so she should be. Yes it's tragic she took her own life, rather than go through a trial that would allow her to defend herself, or reveal truths she wanted hidden. But shouldn't we remember someone for the entirety of their actions?

Sorry OP but why not put this on one of the other Caroline threads? Poring over every aspect of this poor woman's life just seems repellant at the moment.

And yet you contribute? I am SO sick of people trying to gain some sort of moral high ground in this way. MH and abuse are issues that desperately need talking about more, that much is agreed. Why is it so wrong to do so when feelings are running high because a young, talented woman has suffered a horrible, needless death. Why is it wrong to call out those labelling her an abuser as though it is fact when she had been found guilty of no crime? Why is it wrong to take issue with the 'men aren't taken seriously brigade' using the death of an innocent by law woman as a platform to make some kind of point?

The sad truth is, the public are fickle and few will care enough about this case in a short time to even pass comment. Until next time. Some of us don't want there to be a next time. Some of us accept that whilst abuse is sadly very common it is also complex, and things are not ALWAYS quite as they seem. Yes, sadly, many victims of DV can retract statements due to fear, Stockholm syndrome, but this will not always be the case. And it is wrong to assume that was his reason in this case. Who are you to try and silence me and others from any debate?

bobbybluecat

I hear completely what you are saying, but I am still uneasy with the charges brought here. I don't blame the CPS, certainly not her boyfriend, and anyone blaming anyone for a suicide - suicide is way too complex to be the result of any one person or even issue.

That said, I'm uneasy that she was interviewed by the police 2 hours after causing what are said to be deep and life-threatening injuries to herself. She would have been in no fit mental state. I'm uneasy that this has been labelled DV when there and her a serial abuser when there are accounts that the injury occurred as he was trying to prevent her causing herself further injury.

To try and be clearer - I abhor DV and any minimisation of it. But we are simply not party to all the facts here to make any judgement of her guilt. To me, it, it looks like a huge factor here was simply yet another case of our appalling lack of MH provision. She was apparently suffering from significant MH issues for some time before this, measures should have been put in place to stop her being a danger to her, her boyfriend and anyone else. That didn't happen and this keeps happening as our MN services are at crisis point and have been for a long time.

It wasn't two hours,

The paramedics were in her home for two hours, she then spent twelve hours in hospital, before doctors released her and said she was ok to be questioned, and only then and after release was she questioned by police. So at least 14/15 hours if not more.

Her family have released the social media post she wished to release, and I'm not sure it was a good idea to be honest. In it she says it was an accident she hit him with the lamp. She wasn't well when she wrote that, and I guess she means she wasn't in control when she hit him, but the reason I don't think they should have released it, is because it effectively removes any doubt she did attack him with the lamp as he slept, and shows him to have been lying when he says she didn't.

it doesn't really prove she was lying. It doesn't prove anything. An 'accident' could mean that in her agitated, possibly suicidal state, she started chucking stuff around and the lamp caught him on the head. I think what she meant in that instagram post is that she didn't pick the lamp up with the specific intention to chuck it at him deliberately. But we'll never know. What we definitely do know is that she was very mentally unwell and self harmed to the extent she lost a lot of blood and needed to be in hospital for over 12 hours. Very unwell people do very odd things and don't behave rationally.

it doesn't really prove she was lying. It doesn't prove anything. An 'accident' could mean that in her agitated, possibly suicidal state, she started chucking stuff around and the lamp caught him on the head. I think what she meant in that instagram post is that she didn't pick the lamp up with the specific intention to chuck it at him deliberately

I thought the same.

I also think some people have an agenda regarding this. I commented the other day on the vile witch hunt the jokes that are fathers for justice posted about this lady, to the extent they circulated a poster of her saying 'this is what a domestic abuser looks like' the DAY after the case was first reported. They later said they stood by their comments, funny that as they have removed all the posts now. I have copies though. They disgust me. Current stories on their facebook page name Cheryl (Tweedy now?) as a 'sperm bandit for considering IVF in the future. And Meghan Markle a 'grandparental alienator' for 'abducting' Baby Alfie. Scumbags, the lot of them. Seriously, check out the page. It actually really upset me seeing the reports in the press of just how upset Caroline Flack was due to their witching in particular.

Archie*