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Insemination Fraud - seems more widespread than I had previously thought.

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FannyCann · 15/02/2020 12:21

I received this newsletter last week, and have just copied it in here, it's such a horrible crime against women and children and families generally. I have never seen any evidence of it happening n the UK but it does seem to be more widespread than I had previously thought so who knows?

So I'm just posting as a general FYI for anyone interested really.

When a doctor uses his own sperm to inseminate a patient, is it a crime?
In a 1987 surveyy_ by the US Office of Technology Assessment, two per cent of fertility doctors said they had used their own sperm to inseminate patients. (See "Sources of Fresh Semen" on page 43.) Given that, we probably shouldn't have been shocked when, after genetic testing became widely available, a few such doctors were outed.
There was Norman Barwin in Ontario, Donald Cline in Indiana, Gerald Mortimer in Idaho, Ben Ramaley in Connecticut, and John Boyd Coates in Vermont. Not to mention the ones in Europe and elsewhere.
There is wide consensus that the practice is not ethical. The fact that doctors never disclosed what they were doing suggests that even they had qualms.
But one of the huge frustrations for families is that it is proving very hard to hold doctors to account. There are no laws explicitly prohibiting a physician from inseminating a patient with his own sperm. There aren't even many laws that nibble at the edges.
Jody Madeira, a law professor at Indiana University, has published papers on this issue. She explores how existing laws might be used to punish what she calls "insemination fraud," but she also takes a hard look at the ways these laws might fall short.
She argues that physicians must be brought to justice and individuals who have been harmed should be recognized, supported and compensated. "Failing to hold physicians who engaged in insemination fraud accountable," she writes, "creates the impression that such conduct is not legally punishable and runs counter to legal frameworks such as informed consent..."
Last year, two states, Indiana and Texas, passed laws that went some distance to address the issue. Indiana made it a criminal offence for a health professional to "misrepresent" human reproductive material. Texas made it illegal to use donor gametes that the recipient hasn't consented to.
It somehow feels that we should be able to do more — charge them with fraud or battery or even rape. But for all sorts of reasons, this has not been easy.
A few weeks ago, Madeira delivered a seminar at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law on fertility fraud. I was unable to attend, but I did have a look at some of her papers.
Among the many interesting points she raises is whether a doctor inseminating a patient with his own sperm is similar to having sex with a patient, something that is generally forbidden, often punished, and in some jurisdictions considered a criminal act. Below, I highlight a few of her arguments suggesting it is.
The Three Penetrations
When a doctor covertly uses his own sperm to make a patient pregnant, he is committing a unique kind of wrong. It is hard to find acts that are analogous, says Jody Madeira, a law professor at Indiana University. She wonders, however, if the closest transgression is physician-patient sex.
Physicians are discouraged from having sex with their patients because it's generally agreed there is a power imbalance. That makes it hard for a patient to give meaningful consent. Most prohibitions against doctors having sex with patients, however, come from the professional bodies that regulate them. Only a handful of states, says Madeira, actually have laws that criminalize it.
Some people argue that insemination is not like sex, because it is a clinical procedure, rather than a sexual one. "But is a medical procedure like insemination still clinical when the physician performing the procedure masturbates to ejaculation in a nearby room, catches his sample, walks to the examination room where his patient is waiting and inserts his sample into her vagina via a syringe and catheter?" asks Madeira.
Clinical touching that is performed solely to help a patient conceive, she argues, could easily cross the line to become sexual touching — performed at least in part for the physician’s own gratification. "It is no longer so clear that the act is a clinical touching, as it involves masturbatory stimulation, potential erotic thoughts of the waiting patient, and intimate touching of the patient almost immediately after the physician concludes his own sexual experience," she writes. "The point at which the touching ceases to become sexual might depend on hard-to-prove factors such as whether the physician became aroused thinking of his patient, and what emotions he experienced while performing the insemination." The boundaries are blurry at best.
Madeira argues that both physical and metaphorical penetration takes place when a physician uses his own sperm in artificial insemination.
"The first penetration comes when the physician inserts medical equipment, including a speculum and disposable insemination catheter, through a patient’s cervix into her uterine cavity, injecting his sperm specimen. Patients have consented to this procedure, but not to its performance with the physician’s sperm.
"The second penetration comes when the physician’s biological material joins with the patient’s, implants into her uterine lining, and forms a placenta, breaching her physiological barriers in the most intimate way possible.
"The third penetration, more sociocultural than physiological, follows from the child’s birth. The resulting child is welcomed into the patient’s family and held out as their own, obtaining legal rights and privileges to their emotional, social, and financial support." The physician has imposed his own procreative capacity; the physician has become the biological father of the patient's child.
Is it rape? That's not clear. Under Indiana law, in order for an act to be considered rape, a person has to be "compelled by force or imminent threat of force," unable to consent, or unaware that the conduct is occurring.
In these cases, the patient is aware that the insemination is occurring, and has consented to insemination. She may even have consented to insemination by an anonymous donor. A doctor might argue that it was anonymous to the patient, and so consented, says Madeira.

But she points out that the conduct is very similar in nature to “sex by deception” cases. Although the courts typically decide against these, arguing that fraud is not force, Madeira points to two instances where it was applied: in one instance, when sex was misrepresented as a surgical operation, and in another, when sex was procured by pretending to be the victim's husband.
Madeira's ideas are compelling. There is something sexual — even rapelike — about this act. In many ways, though, it seems much worse than doctor-patient sex.
The patient is vulnerable, both emotionally and physically. The patient is trusting. The patient has in no way consented to this. The patient is not informed of this. The patient is the victim of a deceit. The doctor knows a secret about the patient that the patient herself is not privy to. The patient continues her life under an illusion. The patient does not get to choose when she finds out the truth. The patient loves the child but hates the act that brought the child into the world. The patient can never leave this behind, because the very act is embedded in her own beloved child.
It smells like a crime to me.
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Jody Lynee Madeira. "Uncommon Misconceptions: Holding Physicians Accountable for Insemination Fraudd_." Law & Inequality: A Journal of Theory and Practice. 2019.
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Related links
Alison Motluk. "Uncommon Ancestry.." Hazlitt. 2017.
"Barwin's other casualtiess
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"For the rest of your lives get a DNA test with whoever you're coupling with. That person could be your sister or brother.." HeyReprotech. 2019.
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KimikosDreamHouse · 15/02/2020 12:37

I really don't care. I don't see there is any big deal about this or any difference between using donor sperm. I admit I really dislike the infertility industry so I can't get worked up about this.

Lojoh · 15/02/2020 12:50

I'm O.O at your response Kimiko.

You can't see what the problem is with men impregnating women without their consent? Or with children never knowing who their father is or their medical history?

KimikosDreamHouse · 15/02/2020 12:55

I have no time for the infertility industry. Up until recently children conceived from donor sperm knew nothing about their parentage. These women wanted to be pregnant and they became pregnant.

If it were up to me I would ban all of this.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 15/02/2020 12:58

Unless I've missed something, The women aren't getting pregnant without consent though.

RoseAndRose · 15/02/2020 13:05

The women are consenting to the medical procedure and know that it is donor sperm.

What they are taking on trust is the description of the donor (which is always anonymised and general in nature) and that the donor and/or the sperm has been correctly screened for disease, and stored in a way that preserves viability. They wouid be taking that on trust when using banked sperm as well.

What is happening here is highly unethical - because the provenance of the sperm from a induvidualrather than a sperm bank is not declared, and has legal ramifications (in jurisdictions in which donors, other than those through a bank, can acquire PR), but it is not a violation of consent.

Lojoh · 15/02/2020 13:17

Good grief. FWR isn't what it was.

testing987654321 · 15/02/2020 13:35

That's an overreaction from one person's response. We're (mostly) women, we can have differing opinions.

midgebabe · 15/02/2020 14:01

You end up carrying someone else's child, not the child you thought?

It's one step from that to saying you consented to sleep with one man, but it doesn't matter if it was the man you chose ?

MrMeSeeks · 15/02/2020 14:01

I’m shocked its never been a crime Confused

FannyCann · 15/02/2020 14:09

Sorry for all the lines in the post by the way - not sure why that happens, I copied and pasted from an email newsletter so don't know how to get around it.

The consent issue is clearly a rich mine for lawyers to argue.

If you were having a hip replacement and discussed the types of implants with your surgeon and agreed on a ceramic implant because of the various advantages and then your surgeon used an old fashioned plastic and metal one you might be rather annoyed.
You might say that's not what was agreed.
Your surgical consent form might have included a specification of the type of implant. You might say I didn't consent to this.

All issues that can be argued in court. At least you wouldn't feel violated by the thought of your surgeon going out to have a wank in the middle of your treatment. You wouldn't be confronted by his likeness every time you looked at your beloved child, trying to put aside your feelings of rage and disgust.

And that's without all the medical issues such as screening the sperm for diseases etc and all the other social issues.

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Goosefoot · 15/02/2020 14:10

I have to say, in a way I am blasé about it as well.

It's not that I don't think it's unethical, because I do.

But it seems almost a little... inevitable ? to me. You have a process where someoe is buying a product, where the source at best is at arms length, where it's really not simple to differentiate between one and another. They all look the same, and even in terms of results, what baby you get, that's pretty up in the air. Are you better off with a baby from #541 in the catalogue than you are with the sperm from the doctor? No one knows.

When you turn something that's normally embedded in relationship, in a very immediate way, and turn it into a commercial process, you expect that the problems of commercial production and sales will become a factor that will have to be managed. Caveat emptor, even with good legal regulation, is always going to be there in the background.

popehilarious · 15/02/2020 14:14

Sorry, I've started to look at the links but it's not clear to me - what procedure(s) is this talking about? IUI with donor sperm? IVF/ ICSI? IVF where you think your partner or a specific person is the sperm donor?

FannyCann · 15/02/2020 14:42

I assume it's IUI pope
The other techniques are done in the lab with technicians. Of course other things sometimes go wrong such as mix ups in the lab, but that's different.

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popehilarious · 15/02/2020 14:52

This is making me feel quite sick in a way I hadn't anticipated. There's a real psychological horror to it.

Goosefoot · 15/02/2020 15:29

It does point to some weird psychological issues on the part of the doctor.

It would be one thing to find out they were diluting samples more than allowed, or using cheaper donors, in order to save money. That is typical of a business looking to increase revenue by cutting corners.

But using your own sperm for dozens of babies is weird. It reminds me of a dystopian novel I read in middle school.

Bananabixfloof · 15/02/2020 15:38

I feel so naive, this never actually occurred to me that it could happen.
I dont know why (possibly because I've never used or been involved in fertility stuff) so my first thoughts are, just how could this be prevented? By definition its behind closed doors.
Unless only women staff the clinics, and even then, there will always be some women who will do mens bidding. And presumably there will always be a man somewhere that will want this to happen.
Some Men really really hate women dont they.

KimikosDreamHouse · 15/02/2020 15:47

This is making me feel quite sick in a way I hadn't anticipated. There's a real psychological horror to it

I feel that way about most things involving the fertility industry. I agree with Goosefoot - buyers wanted to buy sperm - they got it.

FannyCann · 15/02/2020 16:28

It does point to some weird psychological issues on the part of the doctor.

Is it some sort of God complex? Shipman enjoyed the power of life and death.
These guys have the power of spreading their genes far beyond a normal family unit of their own.
And a touch of sexual fetishism of some sort thrown in, getting excited at the woman compliantly lying in the lithotomy position while he nips out back to produce a fresh specimen insert.

It's horrible in every way.

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VortexofBloggery · 15/02/2020 16:51

Unrelated question, Are you allowed to choose sperm that wasn't harvested through exposure to pornography? Men who donate in order to spread their genes far and wide, is such a foreign and abnormal concept to me anyway. Insemination fraud is yet another Doctor playing god. It's a con, and I'd imagine the mothers and children would feel terrible with that knowledge. The "donor" would have been a fictitious character up till then (no doubt, beyond human frailties) and now they have a real person who's a fucking creep as daddy. Awful.

FrogsFrogs · 15/02/2020 17:08

The fact that the man who is inserting things into the woman is unbeknownst to her putting his own semen in changes what he his doing from an 'at a distance' medical procedure to a very personal invasion.

I agree with the poster who said that there is something v nauseating about this.

Yes it should be illegal.

Re the cut n paste the piece saying it's only rape if she resists in whichever state it was, is also shocking. But not uncommon in law around the world.

In fact a family court judge in the UK the other day said this.

Twunk · 15/02/2020 17:18

I think the main issue, other than the lack of consent, is that the number of children produced from one father have a higher chance of meeting and procreating. Usually the number of times a single donor can be used is limited (often per country, or in total) to reduce this risk.

magicrainbowbeans · 15/02/2020 17:21

To the opponents of artificial insemination here, a bunch of questions... why do you view this as 'bad'? Would you call getting pregnant from a one night stand the same?

Much of the time the artificial route is taken by women who get to say, mid 30s and want a cold, can't wait due to their biology. May or may not have been left by a man who 'wasn' t ready' or whatever but unlike them could waste time thinking about it.

SonEtLumiere · 15/02/2020 17:30

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magicrainbowbeans · 15/02/2020 17:46

Son yes

Maybe some posters haven't read the evidence that I think says, that children who are raised by a single parent usually a woman, are at no detriment from lacking a father, in fact often excel. The ones who don't are often from the homes where the child witnesses or becomes involved in the conflict between 2 parents. Not having a man around doesn't seem to have a significant impact.

magicrainbowbeans · 15/02/2020 17:47

But on the OP 'psychological horror' about covers it

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