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Insemination Fraud - seems more widespread than I had previously thought.

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FannyCann · 15/02/2020 12:21

I received this newsletter last week, and have just copied it in here, it's such a horrible crime against women and children and families generally. I have never seen any evidence of it happening n the UK but it does seem to be more widespread than I had previously thought so who knows?

So I'm just posting as a general FYI for anyone interested really.

When a doctor uses his own sperm to inseminate a patient, is it a crime?
In a 1987 surveyy_ by the US Office of Technology Assessment, two per cent of fertility doctors said they had used their own sperm to inseminate patients. (See "Sources of Fresh Semen" on page 43.) Given that, we probably shouldn't have been shocked when, after genetic testing became widely available, a few such doctors were outed.
There was Norman Barwin in Ontario, Donald Cline in Indiana, Gerald Mortimer in Idaho, Ben Ramaley in Connecticut, and John Boyd Coates in Vermont. Not to mention the ones in Europe and elsewhere.
There is wide consensus that the practice is not ethical. The fact that doctors never disclosed what they were doing suggests that even they had qualms.
But one of the huge frustrations for families is that it is proving very hard to hold doctors to account. There are no laws explicitly prohibiting a physician from inseminating a patient with his own sperm. There aren't even many laws that nibble at the edges.
Jody Madeira, a law professor at Indiana University, has published papers on this issue. She explores how existing laws might be used to punish what she calls "insemination fraud," but she also takes a hard look at the ways these laws might fall short.
She argues that physicians must be brought to justice and individuals who have been harmed should be recognized, supported and compensated. "Failing to hold physicians who engaged in insemination fraud accountable," she writes, "creates the impression that such conduct is not legally punishable and runs counter to legal frameworks such as informed consent..."
Last year, two states, Indiana and Texas, passed laws that went some distance to address the issue. Indiana made it a criminal offence for a health professional to "misrepresent" human reproductive material. Texas made it illegal to use donor gametes that the recipient hasn't consented to.
It somehow feels that we should be able to do more — charge them with fraud or battery or even rape. But for all sorts of reasons, this has not been easy.
A few weeks ago, Madeira delivered a seminar at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law on fertility fraud. I was unable to attend, but I did have a look at some of her papers.
Among the many interesting points she raises is whether a doctor inseminating a patient with his own sperm is similar to having sex with a patient, something that is generally forbidden, often punished, and in some jurisdictions considered a criminal act. Below, I highlight a few of her arguments suggesting it is.
The Three Penetrations
When a doctor covertly uses his own sperm to make a patient pregnant, he is committing a unique kind of wrong. It is hard to find acts that are analogous, says Jody Madeira, a law professor at Indiana University. She wonders, however, if the closest transgression is physician-patient sex.
Physicians are discouraged from having sex with their patients because it's generally agreed there is a power imbalance. That makes it hard for a patient to give meaningful consent. Most prohibitions against doctors having sex with patients, however, come from the professional bodies that regulate them. Only a handful of states, says Madeira, actually have laws that criminalize it.
Some people argue that insemination is not like sex, because it is a clinical procedure, rather than a sexual one. "But is a medical procedure like insemination still clinical when the physician performing the procedure masturbates to ejaculation in a nearby room, catches his sample, walks to the examination room where his patient is waiting and inserts his sample into her vagina via a syringe and catheter?" asks Madeira.
Clinical touching that is performed solely to help a patient conceive, she argues, could easily cross the line to become sexual touching — performed at least in part for the physician’s own gratification. "It is no longer so clear that the act is a clinical touching, as it involves masturbatory stimulation, potential erotic thoughts of the waiting patient, and intimate touching of the patient almost immediately after the physician concludes his own sexual experience," she writes. "The point at which the touching ceases to become sexual might depend on hard-to-prove factors such as whether the physician became aroused thinking of his patient, and what emotions he experienced while performing the insemination." The boundaries are blurry at best.
Madeira argues that both physical and metaphorical penetration takes place when a physician uses his own sperm in artificial insemination.
"The first penetration comes when the physician inserts medical equipment, including a speculum and disposable insemination catheter, through a patient’s cervix into her uterine cavity, injecting his sperm specimen. Patients have consented to this procedure, but not to its performance with the physician’s sperm.
"The second penetration comes when the physician’s biological material joins with the patient’s, implants into her uterine lining, and forms a placenta, breaching her physiological barriers in the most intimate way possible.
"The third penetration, more sociocultural than physiological, follows from the child’s birth. The resulting child is welcomed into the patient’s family and held out as their own, obtaining legal rights and privileges to their emotional, social, and financial support." The physician has imposed his own procreative capacity; the physician has become the biological father of the patient's child.
Is it rape? That's not clear. Under Indiana law, in order for an act to be considered rape, a person has to be "compelled by force or imminent threat of force," unable to consent, or unaware that the conduct is occurring.
In these cases, the patient is aware that the insemination is occurring, and has consented to insemination. She may even have consented to insemination by an anonymous donor. A doctor might argue that it was anonymous to the patient, and so consented, says Madeira.

But she points out that the conduct is very similar in nature to “sex by deception” cases. Although the courts typically decide against these, arguing that fraud is not force, Madeira points to two instances where it was applied: in one instance, when sex was misrepresented as a surgical operation, and in another, when sex was procured by pretending to be the victim's husband.
Madeira's ideas are compelling. There is something sexual — even rapelike — about this act. In many ways, though, it seems much worse than doctor-patient sex.
The patient is vulnerable, both emotionally and physically. The patient is trusting. The patient has in no way consented to this. The patient is not informed of this. The patient is the victim of a deceit. The doctor knows a secret about the patient that the patient herself is not privy to. The patient continues her life under an illusion. The patient does not get to choose when she finds out the truth. The patient loves the child but hates the act that brought the child into the world. The patient can never leave this behind, because the very act is embedded in her own beloved child.
It smells like a crime to me.
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Jody Lynee Madeira. "Uncommon Misconceptions: Holding Physicians Accountable for Insemination Fraudd_." Law & Inequality: A Journal of Theory and Practice. 2019.
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Related links
Alison Motluk. "Uncommon Ancestry.." Hazlitt. 2017.
"Barwin's other casualtiess
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"For the rest of your lives get a DNA test with whoever you're coupling with. That person could be your sister or brother.." HeyReprotech. 2019.
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popehilarious · 15/02/2020 18:11

Kimiko, without wanting to derail the whole thread, what about the fertility industry is it that you're opposed to? Any kind of artificial procreation? or donor gametes? I ask with curiosity not judgement.

FrogsFrogs · 15/02/2020 18:23

Sperm from donation is a different kettle of fish tbh

There's plenty of it around :D

I know people who've had it donated onto their coat on the tube etc

FrogsFrogs · 15/02/2020 18:24

You can DIY it and many people have...

Different to exploiting women's biology which comes with much more risk and also pregnancy/ bonding etc is a thing.

The contributions of male and female in procreating are just not comparable.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 15/02/2020 18:28

Its dreadful, and should definitely be illegal

EuroMillionsWinner · 15/02/2020 18:29

I agree with Kimiko.

WombOfOnesOwn · 15/02/2020 18:39

The doctor's literally looking at individual patients, then deciding which ones he wants to "make a sample" for. He's deciding which ones he wants to masturbate to completion and immediately take the sample to impregnate. That's outrageously sexual and NOT what the patient was signing up for when they wanted an anonymous donor. No one agreed to have a man who'd just had a wank thinking of them in the stirrups putting their sperm inside their vagina.

FannyCann · 15/02/2020 18:41

RufustheLanglovingreindeer

I suppose the reason it's not illegal is no one thought anyone would do something so outrageous?

There have certainly been some court cases I've read about. I think that means it is technically illegal, depending where you are in the world, but the specific crime may come under a different label because no one thought to pass a law against it.

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TinyPaws · 15/02/2020 19:22

I'm shocked that some people here apparently have no problem with this. Putting sperm inside a woman's body, that she has not consented to have there, is a violation. I believe a woman has a right to determine who should have the opportunity to procreate with and whose babies she will carry.

It exposes the woman and any future child(ren) to health risks that she has not consented to as in most countries sperm is carefully screened to ensure it is healthy and disease free and those safeguards will have been bypassed if the doctor wanks into a pot and inserts it into the woman.

It is unfair to the child as well as he or she may have many biological siblings that he/she knows nothing about which increases the risk of them inadvertently having an incestuous relationship.

Also, the child and their purported father may have a relationship with one another (for example when the doctor was supposed to use the patient's partner's sperm, or a known donor's sperm, but substituted his own instead). Imagine finding out the person you had loved as your father for years was in fact not related to you at all. Imagine finding out that your much longed for child was actually the child of another man.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 15/02/2020 19:24

I suppose the reason it's not illegal is no one thought anyone would do something so outrageous?

Yeah

And possibly the whole ‘she wanted semen, she got semen’ thing that seems to be happening

SleepingStandingUp · 15/02/2020 19:40

But it seems almost a little... inevitable ? that a doctors ego and sexual proclivities wouldead him to wank over a patient and then insert that sperm into her?

FannyCann · 15/02/2020 20:48

I remember reading about Cecil Jacobsen at the time of the trial. I didn't know about the fraudulent tricking his patients into believing they were pregnant and then that the pregnancy had failed. What a bloody bastard for want of better adjectives.

Also IIRC his defence claimed that the reason people were so upset was because he was fat and unattractive and if he'd looked like Paul Newman no one would be complaining.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Jacobson

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RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 15/02/2020 20:52

You shouldn’t trick someone into putting something in their body when they haven’t agreed to it

I mean isn’t that pretty basic

SleepingStandingUp · 15/02/2020 21:29

Apparently not Rufus, if you agree to donor sperm apparently any random should be allowed to wank in a cup for it

janeskettle · 15/02/2020 21:40

It's pretty basic, yeah.

Some people letting their attitudes to reproductive technology get in the way of upholding basic principles of consent.

Smacks of a desire to punish the woman who has 'transgressed' by using reproductive technology.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 15/02/2020 22:08

When you sign up for donor sperm it’s on the basis that the anonymity goes both ways - the woman does not know the identity of the donor, and the donor does not know the identities of the women who receive it.

So at the very least, the doctor having info that no normal donor would be privy to (where the stern went) at the very least makes this into a different scenario to the one the woman believed she had consented to. Breach of contract.

The psychological harm caused by unknowingly being a pawn in the doctors seed spreading fantasies, as well as potentially a pawn in his masturbatory fantasies, and raising a child conceived in those circumstances make this absolutely nothing like a normal donor situation.

It’s fucked up. Totally fucked up.

Forced impregnation and human breeding fetishes are a thing and fertility doctors who create multiple babies with unknowing patients are part of it.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/drmarkgriffiths.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/sowing-the-seeds-of-love-a-brief-look-at-impregnation-fetishes/amp/

DreadPirateLuna · 15/02/2020 23:16

Smacks of a desire to punish the woman who has 'transgressed' by using reproductive technology.

There's a disturbing air of "she was asking for it" in some of the responses.

Goosefoot · 15/02/2020 23:45

To the opponents of artificial insemination here, a bunch of questions... why do you view this as 'bad'? Would you call getting pregnant from a one night stand the same?

Yeah, I think purposefully getting pregnant from a one night stand isn't a great idea, for a lot of reasons. It's not directly analogous though, it's not generally a commercialised process. And it's also not usually done on purpose.

I just cannot believe people think that because they are against all reproductive technologies it doesn’t matter.

It's not that it doesn't matter, it's more that if you already think something shouldn't be done, there are reasons for that and they may well be related to the creation of this sort of opportunity for abuse.

Goosefoot · 15/02/2020 23:52

that a doctors ego and sexual proclivities would lead him to wank over a patient and then insert that sperm into her?

That when you treat reproduction transactionally some people actually think of it that way.

I'm rather surprised that people are taking it that some people don't think it's important, the issue is that they think it's an inherently problematic activity so seeing problems related to it is to be expected.

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 15/02/2020 23:59

I’m certainly now questioning the motivation of men who donate. Guaranteed at least some aren’t doing it for altruistic reasons. And it’s not as if it’s lucrative so the desire to donate can’t be explained easy cash for young men).
Wonder how (if?) clinics screen out perverts and narcissists?

janeskettle · 16/02/2020 00:06

the issue is that they think it's an inherently problematic activity so seeing problems related to it is to be expected

My reading comprehension may well be off, so please correct me Goose if it is, but this sounds awfully like people who shrug when prostituted women are attacked by punters...'well, it's an inherently dangerous thing to be doing'.

Personally, I think that sperm donation is at the least problematic end of the scale of reproductive technology, with other practices being far riskier and damaging to any resulting child, but even if I were to accept that sperm donation is problematic in the same way surrogacy is, for example, I could make a distinction between harms instrinsic to the process, and harms introduced by medical professionals involved.

Goosefoot · 16/02/2020 00:24

My reading comprehension may well be off, so please correct me Goose if it is, but this sounds awfully like people who shrug when prostituted women are attacked by punters...'well, it's an inherently dangerous thing to be doing'.

I suppose it depends on what you mean when you describe them as shrugging.

I think the risk of violence is inherent in prostitution. It's part of what happens when sex is not managed on a basis of relationship, and particularly when it is commercialised and reduced to the level of a transaction - the body and it's responses become a kind of product, and violence against a product isn't the same as violence against a person.

It's part of the reason I don't really think we should allow it. If someone is violent to a prostitute I think they should be charged with the relevant crime, but I'm not especially interested in talking about how we can make prostitution safer, or set up safeguards, or anything like that. I think if at all possible we should try and eliminate it as part of the economy or even as part of a black market. That would prevent violence against prostitutes as well as addressing the objectification that violence comes from.
As long as prostitution goes on, however, I don't think it will be easy to control either that objectification, or the violence that can result from it. Hence the shrug.

As I see it, sperm donation makes reproduction into something other than what it ought to be, a relational activity. And not through carelessness either, or anything like that, but in a deliberate and planned way, it becomes a technological and also commercial process.
Technological and commercial processes are subject to particular kinds of corruption and abuse. There is an absence of the relational element, in fact that is the point for many people who want sperm donation from a stranger, they don't want a relation to the father or for the child to have a relation to the father.
That has to shape how people think about what goes on. And there are always people with god complexes, or looking to make an extra buck, or with poor boundaries. They are shaped by the process and it's thinking as much as anyone else. People like this never think they will be caught, either. From their perspective, it will never matter to these women if the sperm came from somewhere they didn't expect, because they will never know.
You can punish people who do it, if you catch them, but I don't think it's possible to fix a technological process like this so an insider can't muck about with it.

janeskettle · 16/02/2020 00:43

Thanks for your answer, Goose

Bagofoldbones · 16/02/2020 00:56

Holy shit I can’t believe some creeps actually do this - it’s unethical and repulses me.

I can’t believe some of the responses on here either

Thelnebriati · 16/02/2020 01:16

I'm opposed to the fertility industry for a number of reasons, this being one of them - that women are prey to predatory behaviour. Wherever there is an opportunity, there are men who find a way to use it for their own agenda.

I'm shocked it isn't classed as fraud, and its a form of unethical behavour that raises questions about where a fetish begins. I cant see how to prevent it other than to have a different clinic conduct a DNA test on every donor and child, which raises separate issues.

Dervel · 16/02/2020 06:27

Surely this would be resolved by requesting a female physician?

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