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Insemination Fraud - seems more widespread than I had previously thought.

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FannyCann · 15/02/2020 12:21

I received this newsletter last week, and have just copied it in here, it's such a horrible crime against women and children and families generally. I have never seen any evidence of it happening n the UK but it does seem to be more widespread than I had previously thought so who knows?

So I'm just posting as a general FYI for anyone interested really.

When a doctor uses his own sperm to inseminate a patient, is it a crime?
In a 1987 surveyy_ by the US Office of Technology Assessment, two per cent of fertility doctors said they had used their own sperm to inseminate patients. (See "Sources of Fresh Semen" on page 43.) Given that, we probably shouldn't have been shocked when, after genetic testing became widely available, a few such doctors were outed.
There was Norman Barwin in Ontario, Donald Cline in Indiana, Gerald Mortimer in Idaho, Ben Ramaley in Connecticut, and John Boyd Coates in Vermont. Not to mention the ones in Europe and elsewhere.
There is wide consensus that the practice is not ethical. The fact that doctors never disclosed what they were doing suggests that even they had qualms.
But one of the huge frustrations for families is that it is proving very hard to hold doctors to account. There are no laws explicitly prohibiting a physician from inseminating a patient with his own sperm. There aren't even many laws that nibble at the edges.
Jody Madeira, a law professor at Indiana University, has published papers on this issue. She explores how existing laws might be used to punish what she calls "insemination fraud," but she also takes a hard look at the ways these laws might fall short.
She argues that physicians must be brought to justice and individuals who have been harmed should be recognized, supported and compensated. "Failing to hold physicians who engaged in insemination fraud accountable," she writes, "creates the impression that such conduct is not legally punishable and runs counter to legal frameworks such as informed consent..."
Last year, two states, Indiana and Texas, passed laws that went some distance to address the issue. Indiana made it a criminal offence for a health professional to "misrepresent" human reproductive material. Texas made it illegal to use donor gametes that the recipient hasn't consented to.
It somehow feels that we should be able to do more — charge them with fraud or battery or even rape. But for all sorts of reasons, this has not been easy.
A few weeks ago, Madeira delivered a seminar at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law on fertility fraud. I was unable to attend, but I did have a look at some of her papers.
Among the many interesting points she raises is whether a doctor inseminating a patient with his own sperm is similar to having sex with a patient, something that is generally forbidden, often punished, and in some jurisdictions considered a criminal act. Below, I highlight a few of her arguments suggesting it is.
The Three Penetrations
When a doctor covertly uses his own sperm to make a patient pregnant, he is committing a unique kind of wrong. It is hard to find acts that are analogous, says Jody Madeira, a law professor at Indiana University. She wonders, however, if the closest transgression is physician-patient sex.
Physicians are discouraged from having sex with their patients because it's generally agreed there is a power imbalance. That makes it hard for a patient to give meaningful consent. Most prohibitions against doctors having sex with patients, however, come from the professional bodies that regulate them. Only a handful of states, says Madeira, actually have laws that criminalize it.
Some people argue that insemination is not like sex, because it is a clinical procedure, rather than a sexual one. "But is a medical procedure like insemination still clinical when the physician performing the procedure masturbates to ejaculation in a nearby room, catches his sample, walks to the examination room where his patient is waiting and inserts his sample into her vagina via a syringe and catheter?" asks Madeira.
Clinical touching that is performed solely to help a patient conceive, she argues, could easily cross the line to become sexual touching — performed at least in part for the physician’s own gratification. "It is no longer so clear that the act is a clinical touching, as it involves masturbatory stimulation, potential erotic thoughts of the waiting patient, and intimate touching of the patient almost immediately after the physician concludes his own sexual experience," she writes. "The point at which the touching ceases to become sexual might depend on hard-to-prove factors such as whether the physician became aroused thinking of his patient, and what emotions he experienced while performing the insemination." The boundaries are blurry at best.
Madeira argues that both physical and metaphorical penetration takes place when a physician uses his own sperm in artificial insemination.
"The first penetration comes when the physician inserts medical equipment, including a speculum and disposable insemination catheter, through a patient’s cervix into her uterine cavity, injecting his sperm specimen. Patients have consented to this procedure, but not to its performance with the physician’s sperm.
"The second penetration comes when the physician’s biological material joins with the patient’s, implants into her uterine lining, and forms a placenta, breaching her physiological barriers in the most intimate way possible.
"The third penetration, more sociocultural than physiological, follows from the child’s birth. The resulting child is welcomed into the patient’s family and held out as their own, obtaining legal rights and privileges to their emotional, social, and financial support." The physician has imposed his own procreative capacity; the physician has become the biological father of the patient's child.
Is it rape? That's not clear. Under Indiana law, in order for an act to be considered rape, a person has to be "compelled by force or imminent threat of force," unable to consent, or unaware that the conduct is occurring.
In these cases, the patient is aware that the insemination is occurring, and has consented to insemination. She may even have consented to insemination by an anonymous donor. A doctor might argue that it was anonymous to the patient, and so consented, says Madeira.

But she points out that the conduct is very similar in nature to “sex by deception” cases. Although the courts typically decide against these, arguing that fraud is not force, Madeira points to two instances where it was applied: in one instance, when sex was misrepresented as a surgical operation, and in another, when sex was procured by pretending to be the victim's husband.
Madeira's ideas are compelling. There is something sexual — even rapelike — about this act. In many ways, though, it seems much worse than doctor-patient sex.
The patient is vulnerable, both emotionally and physically. The patient is trusting. The patient has in no way consented to this. The patient is not informed of this. The patient is the victim of a deceit. The doctor knows a secret about the patient that the patient herself is not privy to. The patient continues her life under an illusion. The patient does not get to choose when she finds out the truth. The patient loves the child but hates the act that brought the child into the world. The patient can never leave this behind, because the very act is embedded in her own beloved child.
It smells like a crime to me.
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Jody Lynee Madeira. "Uncommon Misconceptions: Holding Physicians Accountable for Insemination Fraudd_." Law & Inequality: A Journal of Theory and Practice. 2019.
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Related links
Alison Motluk. "Uncommon Ancestry.." Hazlitt. 2017.
"Barwin's other casualtiess
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"For the rest of your lives get a DNA test with whoever you're coupling with. That person could be your sister or brother.." HeyReprotech. 2019.
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FrogsFrogs · 16/02/2020 10:32

Loads of higher up gynae related People are men, in UK at least.

Imagine that it's similar in USA.

Also not sure that women should be thinking, oh I'll go to a female fertility expiry because a male one might decide to use his own freshly wanked sperm on me.

That is the opposite of how women are supposed to think about men. And also, he's a doctor. In a position of huge trust.

Yeah I don't think you can blame women who have been assaulted by a male doctor on choosing to see a male doctor Confused

popehilarious · 16/02/2020 13:23

Thanks for your detailed post Goose

The 'fertility industry' that people are opposed to - this encompasses everything from providing advice/tests re increasing chances of conceiving, to giving women medication to increase their chances of conceiving, to IUI and IVF within a relationship, to sperm/egg donation, to surrogacy?

FannyCann · 16/02/2020 15:45

Just one aspect of the fertility industry Pope

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ohss-ivf-treatment-women-fertilityukk_5e32c078c5b6f2623324c083

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FannyCann · 16/02/2020 15:55

Care Fertility seem to be big private providers in the UK.
I have been having a look around as they have a clinic local to me. When patients get OHSS or other associated problems they are admitted to my hospital for the NHS to sort out - my hospital had 24 admissions for OHSS last year (up from 11 in 2018).
Also, the prices are eye watering. Some people will be referred there by the NHS with NHS funding.
However they are private clinics, so not covered by FOI legislation if you are wanting to do some digging.
One point of interest (among many) they quote IVF at £3205 but if you do egg sharing (donating your "excess" eggs) it will cost you £1000
Payment for egg donation is capped at £750

www.carefertility.com/

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KimikosDreamHouse · 16/02/2020 16:33

Kimiko, without wanting to derail the whole thread, what about the fertility industry is it that you're opposed to? Any kind of artificial procreation? or donor gametes? I ask with curiosity not judgement

All of it. It's the ultimate gimme, gimme, gimme, me, me, me. I want so I must have. Might have started off relatively benign but has led to the current awful situation we have with surrogacy, buying babies and treating women as no more than incubators.

DreadPirateLuna · 16/02/2020 19:30

All of it. It's the ultimate gimme, gimme, gimme, me, me, me. I want so I must have.

How is this different from someone who wants a baby and conceives in the usual way? Aren't they being just as "selfish" as those who use reproductive technology?

KimikosDreamHouse · 16/02/2020 19:33

No. They are not the same.

Luzina · 16/02/2020 19:48

Donated sperm used for IUI in the UK is frozen for 6 months before it can be used in treatment. Also donor conceived children can obtain the sperm donor's details at age 18 so it isn't properly anonymous.

For women who need donor sperm to get pregnant (eg lesbian couples, single parents by choice and women with partners who have low or no sperm count) fertility treatment is often their only chance to have children.

popehilarious · 16/02/2020 19:55

Sorry, I think I wasn't clear - I meant do people object to everything from providing advice/tests re increasing chances of conceiving, to giving women medication to increase their chances of conceiving, to IUI and IVF within a relationship, to sperm/egg donation, to surrogacy?

Although I think Kimiko says they object to all of it.

Presumably because the creation of life is at stake - if people were 'gimme gimme gimme' about fixing a chronic health condition or having a few extra years of life would that be different because it doesn't involve a hypothetical extra person?

Tript · 16/02/2020 19:59

This is absolutely disgusting, I can't believe people are saying what difference does it make. Made me feel sick just reading about it.

DreadPirateLuna · 16/02/2020 20:10

No. They are not the same.

Why? The motivation is usually the same. Plenty of people start off in one group (trying to conceive naturally) but then move to other means (Clomid, IUI, IVF, etc). At what point do they become the "me me me" type?

Tript · 16/02/2020 20:32

It doesn't matter what your personal feelings are on the fertility industry. Surely you can still see that this is sexual assault? A lot of people disagree with the cosmetic surgery industry but you wouldnt say it's okay for a doctor to go out and have a wank in the middle of breast implant surgery and then go back out and cop a feel. Would that patient be asking for it because you don't agree she should be having breast implants? Classic victim blaming.

Qcng · 16/02/2020 20:50

I wonder if the doctor's logic goes,
I want to be the best fertility doctor around here.
Frozen sperm isn't as successful as fresh sperm.
If I use my fresh sperm I'll have a far higher likelihood of success, and I'll make more money than the next fertility doctor

Rather than "I want to have a wank".

Not minimizing how disgusting it is, but just, sexual assault may not be their motivation. Money is more likely. (Especially in the US).

Also sperm donors generally are motivated because they get paid a bit for each donation. Do it's usually sperm from students and unemployed people. Not men who "want to spread their seed far and wide".

FrogsFrogs · 16/02/2020 20:55

According to some logic on here, if I am TTC with a partner and he puts someone else's come inside me, that's ok, as I was TTC.

baby bathwater is springing to mind here.

Number of women saying it's ok for a doctor to nip next door, have a wank, get woman's legs spread and inseminate her with it, when that was not what she thought was happening, is really worrying.

FannyCann · 16/02/2020 21:23

It's certainly not what I was expecting FrogsFrogs ConfusedAngry

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Tript · 16/02/2020 21:31

Very disturbing.

BluebonicPlague · 17/02/2020 00:13

Oh, it's not just the women who may be psychologically affected by the deception. There are children too:
Before his death, Karbaat reportedly admitted to having fathered about 60 children in his time at the discredited clinic, which closed in 2009 amid reports of irregularities.
www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/12/dutch-fertility-doctor-secretly-fathered-at-least-49-children

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47907847

As well as falsifying records in his own fertility clinic, Karbaat also supplied his sperm to all the other fertility clinics in Holland.

This descendant of Karbaat seems surprisingly happy with his new-found siblings. Perhaps along with the mathematics+medicine+love of nature genes he claims to have inherited from his father, he also gained a certain insouciance:

quixote9 · 17/02/2020 02:27

By the logic of some here, if a couple wants a child and the woman quietly gets sperm from someone other than her partner, that's fine. The not-dad wanted a kid and now he's got one. What's the problem?

Funny, how nobody takes that attitude to men, at least that I've ever heard. When it's men getting frauded (there has to be a verb for it, right?), then it's grounds for divorce.

The comment earlier, by Twunk I think, pointing out that there are potential biological consequences of inbreeding is also important.

The main point is that if a woman has an agreement to get A, and she gets something different, that's fraud. The inbreeding issue could add some nasty physical harm to the child. And the trauma of being lied to on such a personal lifelong matter is yet a third level of crime.

All this stuff seems basic and obvious. The suck it up attitude is only possible if you think women are committing some sort of crime, against nature I guess, and any problems are only what they deserve. Doesn't seem to me it's up to any of us to decide that for other women.

MarchDaffs · 17/02/2020 08:03

Some of the replies here are batshit. What you think of the fertility industry is irrelevant: women always, always, always have the right to decide whose sperm enters their body. They don't lose this right because they're doing something one disapproves of. Because it can't be lost.

I can see that this was bound to happen at some point, though I'm shocked at how often. But this is a different argument to it not actually mattering.

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2020 10:32

No disrespect to anyone here, but surely this is news to no one ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Jacobson

goes back to 1989. Over 30 years ago.

Why are there no international standards on ensuring paternity when each baby is born, for a start ?

FrogsFrogs · 17/02/2020 10:50

It's always news when doctors abuse their positions.

Harold Shipman existed but no one thinks oh yeah GPs are murderers if my mum's GP kills her I won't be at all surprised.

That 2 posters have said they should expect doctors to behave like this (with more than a smack of what did they expect/ only themselves to blame) is amazing.

When health care professionals behave unethically in other areas they are seen as unethical. This shows that when it's women and reproduction, the attitude flips to what did she expect. Reminds me of the attitude to sex crimes Vs other crimes.

Really interesting and the posters who have said these things, I think, might be worth having a think on that.

FrogsFrogs · 17/02/2020 10:51

'Why are there no international standards on ensuring paternity when each baby is born, for a start ?'.

Why would there be? Are there international standards on checking that kidneys come from the donor labelled, after the organ has been transplanted?

Scott72 · 17/02/2020 10:55

I wonder what Kimiko thinks should be the alternatives to official sperm banks?

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2020 11:01

'Why are there no international standards on ensuring paternity when each baby is born, for a start ?'.

Why would there be? Are there international standards on checking that kidneys come from the donor labelled, after the organ has been transplanted?

Because it happened at least once in 1989. You'd have thought the "industry" would have gone out of it's way to introduce simple measures to reassure patients in what - as this thread shows - is a very very very intimate and personal procedure.

I suspect in flight snacks get more checks as they are loaded onto a plane than children born via donor IVF.

But, maybe have it your way. Why should any industry be regulated ? Even if things have gone wrong in the past. After all, it does bite into profits which is what IVF is all about.

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