Keir Starmer has now signed the 'trans pledge

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Every Labour leadership candidate has now signed a document that says women meeting to discuss women's issues is 'hateful' and something that must be 'fought against'.

twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1227878854183792642?s=19

michelleoftheresistance, I totally agree. I just think it is important for parents to know what their actual right to withdraw covers.

It is relevant to this thread, because the pledges about removing the right to withdraw from sex education at secondary school would have precisely zero impact on parents who wish to withdraw their DC from dodgy teaching about gender identity.

I'm done with them.

I'd held out a small hope that this leadership election might signal a real change in so far the party might start listening to voters.

The reality however, is that it's confirmed just how toxic the party is at a grass roots level (why I left btw) that the leadership contest is being fought not on policy/capability but who can best appease the baying mob.

Welcome to decades of Tory government people because Labour isn't just "lost" - it's burned its own map and compass and is dancing round the fire congratulating itself on being warm in the wilderness.

Oh of course he has. Ffs

So this is what they believe the working man and woman in the U.K. want.

Jobs? Nooooooooo.
More/better affordable housing? Oh nonono.
NHS funding? Heaven forbid?
More police on the street? Nah.
More funding for schools? Why?
Attractive terms for new business? Eh?
More employment - living wages? Whaaa?
Shit on women’s rights? Yes - that’s the puppy!

So this is what they believe the working man and woman in the U.K. want.

They have totally lost touch with the public, i assume they think Twitter, US TV shows and the BBC is representative of that public.

I should be at a CLP meeting tonight voting for Starmer but I am too depressed about the whole thing to go. I am politically homeless.

They have totally lost touch with the public

I don't think they're remotely interested in the public, what the public think or what the public wish them to represent.

They're the 'post democratic' era Mandelson tried to announce, where they know better than the great unwashed and the aim is to tell, bully, harass and legislate people where their superiors' ambitions and personal agendas demand.

Hence the 'webchats' which involve no listening and much broadcasting of What Nice People Should Think.

They're still totally in denial that the problem with this is that your voters won't vote the way they're scolded to.

Michelleoftheresistance

I think you've summed it up and have it spot on.

Parents only have the right to remove children from the sex education part of statutory SRE, not the relationships aspects.

Thank you for the clarification PerfectParrot. I might find myself forced to break the law and keep my child home, depending on what the curriculum contained on genderism and who was teaching it. My trust is broken. Five years ago I wouldn't have given SRE lessons a second thought.

I'm so politically lost that I don't know whether to pin all my hopes on Kier's slightly-less-extremist position or just give up altogether.

Statutory SRE lessons were introduced after a govt inquiry and originally intended to tackle violence against girls

Shit on women’s rights? Yes - that’s the puppy!

‘Let’s nail this puppy to the floor’

Siobhan Sharpe. W1A

mossyrock, I give SRE a lot of thought because I work in a secondary school and lead PSHE. Your DC's school should have an SRE policy consultation at some point, and if I were you I'd ask to see the scheme of work for the next year. It might not be ready yet tho. In my school we make the scheme of work available for anyone who asks, because some parents want/need to prepare DC with SEN for some topics.

Interesting article about this in OutNewsGlobal - mumsnet mentioned in the comments section:
outnewsglobal.com/calling-womans-place-transphobic-is-nonsense-labour-must-rethink/

I don't think they're remotely interested in the public, what the public think or what the public wish them to represent.

I get this sense that if you disagree or question anything labour say, you're either written off as a self serving posh person or as a pleb, depending on how much money you have and where you're from.