Keir Starmer has now signed the 'trans pledge

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Every Labour leadership candidate has now signed a document that says women meeting to discuss women's issues is 'hateful' and something that must be 'fought against'.

twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1227878854183792642?s=19

I mean, he's the best option available, but that's kind of like asking if you'd prefer earwigs, spiders, or silverfish in your salad - you're still going to be rather unhappy about the fact that "bug free salad" was not an option.

I don't know how many times the Labour Party needs to slap women in the face before they realise that each and every slap was meant, not an accident. Stop hoping for better.

Balkinfly an employer can't break the law, even if they made you sign an agreement. The breastfeeding room isn't mixed sex, and they must provide single sex toilets and showers unless they are single occupancy.

So that means that - no one is standing up for women, not even the women?

I don't know how many times the Labour Party needs to slap women in the face before they realise that each and every slap was meant, not an accident. Stop hoping for better.

The confusing thing for me is that women are spearheading the LP charge towards the destruction of women's hard-won rights and protections. I honestly don't understand why they would do this in the face of such overwhelming evidence and concerns.

But it is increasingly difficult to argue against your conclusion WhatKatyDidNot

The LP are done for, whoever is responsible.

Wrong-Daily needs someone to point out, in very small words, that people can only 'feel like a woman' if everybody knows damn well that the word woman means female human. Otherwise how would you be able to say you felt like one?

Like every other part of this agenda, it involves people pretending they aren't perfectly well aware that there are females and there are males who would like to be known as. It's called disingenuousness, Rebecca. There's a word for acting out and pretending innocent naivety. It's bloody well not 'kind' either. Not to anyone.

We're going to start needing asking Labour where the funding for the huge bloody great new prisons for women is coming from. Because they're going to need a lot. And now that the police are decriminalising burglary to suppress women saying uncomfortable truths to men and wanting to meet up and talk without men telling them first what they can talk about and being there to supervise them properly, the obvious result will be prisons full of women who retweeted something female centred on twitter with no room for actual criminals who will need community service alternatives instead.

MRA wet dream.

I feel like a table.

Ok. Odd, but there's a frame of reference and shared meaning of what a table is and does, and there's an extent to which you can indulge a human in what it means to them to feel like they're a table.

I feel like a Nuchvagn.

…...yeah, going to need extensive notes first on what one of those is, what it does and what that means for what you want me to do about it, because no shared meaning at all on what one of those, in reality, is, that you would like to be considered as being.

Because no one has the faintest shared meaning of what that is or does or what relevance it has.

I'm done with being polite now.

it seems these women have all lived such safe privilaged lives that they have never felt threatened by a man, or had need to flee to a male free space

Starmer has no such excuse. He worked with women who were victims of violence by men, in domestic abuse. I had wanted him to win and Id held him to a higher standard than the stupid handmaidens who were always going to be stupid handmaidens

The pledge he has agreed with (Im not sure Ive seen him agree to the other one) on the surface looks benign. It 'looks' reasonable to most people - doesnt call out hate groups and is far more measured. But it is sneaky and insiduous to those of us who are aware of what it really means.

The conversion therapy

The gender id

The ensuring that no school in the land can avoid teaching trans ideology, and no parent can remove their child from the brainwashing.

Im fucking furious

Why are women doing it? Spearheading it?
Privilage, careerism and possibly surrounded by people who are making damn sure that nobody with an opposing view is allowed near them, or certainly not without having been framed as wrongthinkers

I honestly don't understand why they would do this in the face of such overwhelming evidence and concerns.

There are books written by academics about how in history politicians have convinced themselves into highly distorted and immoral/ cognitively dissonanced beliefs. Alice Miller's well-known 'For Your Own Good' is one. Gita Serenay also wrote several excellent ones.

There's books written by the children of such politicians too, who have had to live with the consequences of 'my parent actually did that to other people and tried to enforce that it was somehow a good thing', and have tried to unpack and rationalise this.

In this case, the unspeakable belief is that trans people can only be properly served and happy by the enforced full destruction of women's civil rights and some of their human rights too, and deletion of them as a recognised group in any form. And this is not a clash of rights because women shouldn't have rights. Any women believing otherwise should be punished with the full force of the law.

And Im furious at those women IN the labour party who said 'be nice, lets not use names, lets say some TWAW, etc etc

this is where we are now. Proper fucked.

Those Outliers who told it how it was from the start were shunned and excluded, and yet they have brought more attention to this than anyone else.

Venice
Posie
Sheila Jeffries
Anne Ruzylo
Julia Long
WOLF

letter writing to MPs has got us precisely absolutely zilch nowhere. Allowing some TW to still be 'she' has blurred the lines and given ambiguity.

Those men who are pushing this havent been nice. They havent cared as they sneeked under the radar and policy captured every institution in the land. Theyve slurred and name called and blackened the voice of any women who objects to this. Theyve pushed to the front rudely and made damn sure that THEIR voices have been heard, whilst sacrificing 'trans' children as colalterol damage in the need to prove this madness bullshit is real.

These are the women who would have been screaming at the suffragettes yelling 'lock them up! (that's right Geoffry isn't it? I'm a good girl aren't I?)'

These are the women who would have been screaming at the suffragettes yelling 'lock them up! (that's right Geoffry isn't it? I'm a good girl aren't I?)'

I think this nails it.

I always remind myself: women at the forefront of UK politics are a very tiny minority who have got to the top of a men's game because men allowed them there on men's terms. Essentially they got into power by winning at Patriarchy and being good girls at pleasing men. They are no friends to women, and we see very clearly now how true that is.

HullyGully - you're back! Where have you been?

Your comment was typically succinct and to-the-point, I have to say.

seems like even the lgbt pledge isnt woke enough for the woke stasi of the Labour party. Is this what it looks like when a political party cannibalizes itself?

They are no friends to women

The the higher up in power you get the more true this is.

Doesn't make it right, but I'm not surprised he's done it - he couldn't afford to be the odd one out

Sorry to say this, but that looks like something of a pattern with Keir Starmer.

The Rotherham tragedy did not start on his watch but, by God, it continued unhindered on his watch.

As a DPP, he didn't make himself the odd one out then either.

I voted Conservative in December to stop Helen Belcher from becoming an MP. I have also voted Labour in the past but right now, nope...no way.

I now want Long Bailey to win. She will serve this up to the public, stridently proclaiming TWAW and pushing child transtion against parental wishes and every time she does the public will become more aware of the issue and more angry at the effects on children and women.
Will this keep the Labour party I have supported all my life until the 2019 election in the political wilderness - yes. Is that deserved - yes.
Hopefully this will give time to the party to rediscover it's roots, start fighting for the working class again, and kick out all the woke bastards destroying the party of my hero James Keir Hardie.

I must admit there's a part of me thinking 'Bring it on'. If any of these bumptious little twerps really want to go down as the leader who expelled Ruth Serwotka from the Labour Party then good luck to them.

Thu 18-Oct-18 OP (I) wrote, 'Stephen Whittle influential TRA asserts 'We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected' & Corbyn seems to confirm this at Pink News'

(extract)
"Yesterday on a thread condemning Stephen Whittle's use of predicted suicide, he joined and commented confidently:

In the end we will pull ourselves together and continue the campaigning – as we have always done. We know we have Labour behind this one, so will simply do our best to get them elected. As I tell the community “we have always lost more battles than we have won, but we only ever need to win the big one”.

I hope that clarifies matters.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3397010-Guardian-article-on-MPs-concern-with-GRA?msgid=81891984#81891984

Last night at Pink News party, Jeremy Corbyn apparently confirmed Whittle's belief:
'PinkNews Awards 2018: Jeremy Corbyn vows support for transgender reforms' (continues)

[[www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News]]

I'm inclined to agree with Jois.

They're not going to be electable for a while anyway, so give em the rope...

apologies for scrambling thread link:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

Argh! Can’t believe all of them have signed up for this misogynistic dross. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. We won’t forget. Even if this is a party decades away from power this really does matter that they will endorse woman-hating so easily. They know the issues. They’re not naive or stupid. Just too scared to stand up for women.

I feel like making a needlepoint cushion with your comment on it hullygully
They are indeed all cunts

Oh well. That's Labour down the pan. Self-indulgent unthinking drivel that actually harms women. Handing it on a plate to the Tories.