Our concerns about gender issues have been deflected, ignored, mocked and erased. Anyone else feeling really angry

[StealthPolarBear]

Angry and helpless? What do we do?
Ironically in the Labour hopeful webchats only the male contender gave an even vaguely decent answer. But it still fell far short of coming close to addressing the issues.
Consultations are ignored. Safeguarding is optional.

Given the other recent story about the surgeon who was mutilating women's breasts just because he felt like it I'm rather side eyeing the medical profession's attitude to breasts in general, particularly in regards to male doctors. Mutilating breasts also seems to be a common feature of murders motivated by misogyny.

Six weeks ago I emailed my own MP to ask what her views are on the proposals to change the GRA. Three weeks later I re-sent the email.

I'm still waiting for a reply. Who'd have guessed, eh?!

In view of that it doesn't surprise me that an MP who does not necessarily represent our own constituencies would be unwilling to give an honest answer on the matter.

I'll be making an appointment to meet my MP at her next surgery where, hopefully, she won't be able to evade the question! Perhaps that's the way forward for all of us.

Yes, this whole situation is infuriating, women as a class still have so many other fucking issues to deal with. And all the more frustrating because of the smug self-righteousness of the people (including women ffs）who would put our daughters at yet more risk and subject them to humiliation to validate/placate what I’m afraid will be a growing number of males. Especially I’m not at all sure we can stop them, when I look at how shit the situation is for women in other parts of the world.

The fact we haven't had Harry's ruling yet,

I’m hoping that the judge said we might get it before Christmas because at the time he was thinking he could just write a couple of sentences like “this is a huge pile of unwaxed bollocks where they aren’t wanted,” but then realized he needs to make sure that the ruling is airtight, with every last T crossed and I dotted. If a judge who gets why people call us “terfs” rules against us from such a high court, I’ll be so gutted and discouraged. But of course won’t give up. Even if the ruling is against us, the majority of people still don’t know what’s going on yet, we have to make sure they do. The longer it takes the harder it will be to clean up this mess. Or our future will be bad sci-fi.

So angry.

And helpless.

And frustrated.

And I want to wake up in a world in which the fact that trans ideology cannot pass the 'man on the Clapham omnibus test' actually means something.

I was musing on this when feeling hopeless the other day. I think it suits men in power to have this divide in communities which would normally unite against right wing movements but now are busily engaged fighting each other. I haven’t fully formulated my thoughts yet!

I think the fear of seeming transphobic is also helpful to these people in quashing the views and rights of women.

I think that the current “woke” thinking is so bizarre that “normal people” don’t believe it can be government policy. I am angry about all of this.

I think that the current “woke” thinking is so bizarre that “normal people” don’t believe it can be government policy.

This is a huge part of the problem imo, when I try to talk about things that have happened, they sound so extreme that I'm the one that looks like an extremist.
The other problem with this is the natural response people have to shoot the messenger. Any feelings they have become attached to the person who told them about the problem.

This entire agenda plays out as if it were carefully crafted by someone who is skilled in propaganda. Women end up looking like the baddies.

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I think that the current “woke” thinking is so bizarre that “normal people” don’t believe it can be government policy. I am angry about all of this."

Yes this! Of course they're not going to put men in women's prisons. Of course they're not going to drug children. Of course all organisations that contribute to teaching in schools will have an evidence base.of course the nspcc will crack down on its employees masturbating in work toilets.
Dont be so ridiculous.

Women are being shut up about the large, legitimate concerns they have about women's and children's rights. I appreciate this isn't MN's problem to solve but it would be good to know if anyone in MNHQ shares our concerns at all. For example the labour leader hopeful asked if it's OK to put a man in a woman's jail. Answers only in the context of sympathy for the poor man.
what about the women?
What about the women?
What about the women?

I take heart from what happened to the paedophile activists back in the 70’s. They tried to legitimise their beliefs, set up their creepy PIE (paedophile information exchange), attempted to “normalise” their activities.
They used a lot of the same propaganda tactics as the modern TRAs - painted themselves as an oppressed minority, latched onto the coat tails of the LGB rights movement, accused people of bigotry etc.
But the wheels very soon came off, because the average person in the street was having none of it. Parents were outraged about safeguarding, just as now. People didn’t find their cult belief acceptable, just as now. People didn’t want them in their children’s schools, toilets, sports coaching, changing rooms, just as now.
Give it time and sunlight. Flag up every sexual assault in prison, every hidden camera in toilets, every woman and girl who suffers indignity, loss of privacy, loss of sporting trophies, loss of a shortlist place - go for maximum publicity.
You simply need to bring the TRAs own activities to as wide an audience as possible, and let public opinion and common sense do the rest.

Yes, I am so angry about erasure of our voices and concerns.

So I'll just try and do more. Out of my 8 MSPs 2 have responded favourably to my concerns re the GRA, one is actively against it and the other encouraged me to complete the consultation and sent me a link to make sure I had the information. The other 6 have not responded at all.

My MP is sympathetic to my GC ness. I think we just have to keep chipping away and raising public awareness.

We really need the judges decission on the Fair Cop case. The problem is if you look at the Stonewall 100 list the legal profession along with CPS has been captured.

The way I look at it, I am never going to stop advocating for my child and others like her. I might not get anywhere, but when I sit in the school and raise safeguarding concerns to people in positions of responsibility only to have tuts of “but children’s rights” directed back at me, I know something is going seriously wrong. So I can’t stop. My child has been sucked into this, heavily influenced by school and I can’t go back and change that. However, I can do my best to try to stop it happening to other children.

That means talking about it as much as possible to as wide a range of people as possible. What all the Twitter trolls who call me an abusive parent or threaten to dox me so they can report me to Social Services and so on (or even Pr*ck News for their twisted reporting of my question to Keir Starmer) don’t seem to understand is the more unhinged and threatening they are, the more sunlight they provide. I’m not a 17 year old who still cares what the world thinks of her. I’m a 50ish mother who really doesn’t give a fuck.

We really need the judges decission on the Fair Cop case.

At best it will be "Harry did nothing wrong but the law is fine as it is".

I want to ask EMily Thornberry - and all these politicians - have they even heard of autogynephilia?

Lewis Moonie is a psychiatrist and told Labour. He ended up jumping before he was pushed.

All the governments civil service councils lobby groups girl guides sports body’s politicians

Never see the damage caused to young girls and boys bodies so are never affected by it

They just virtue signal with no thought to actual children

The girls having double mastectomies and constantly medicated

The children are at the bottom of this money making rainbow glittery shite pile . They are the ones being lied to

With 2:1 girls being referred to gender clinics this should be alarming not to be affirmed as an achievement or feted

Am not often very good as most here writing but am very angry at this damage to our children

Just read a school girl is taking her school to High Court for trying to force her to share dorms with self certifying person.
Looks like they will have to think about this now.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5253985/girl-13-launches-high-court-battle-to-stop-transgender-pupils-sharing-dorms-and-toilets-as-part-of-schools-guidance/amp/

I am fucking furious that our energy has to be expended on just keeping the status quo. Thank you to all of you that continue to make a noise, resist, demonstrate, organise, speak out, question, write to MPs, bring court cases , talk to your children, Everything is helping create a change. Me? Trying to organise a workshop to talk about why women need sex segregated spaces, to be held at an International women’s day event where some women are referring to others as feminazis by not wanting men to be present. Also trying to find the opportunity to read a testament by Charlie in Spanish, as no one else will. Trying desperately not to give up..

Thank you @GrinitchSpinach I needed to hear that!

I started posting on here (after lurking for ages), when Spartacus happened. Specifically I wanted to include my voice when so many others seemed to be leaving the threads in frustration and anger. Women were worn down.

Now I’m the one feeling frustrated. I’m taking a breath, recharging for a bit and coming back stronger. Also doing a bit more RL stuff where I can. I’m not shutting up about this.

The PIE completely captured the NCCL. The Campaign for Homosexual Equality were more wary, and it was the gay angle rather than the underage angle that caught the attention of the police, who raided the PIE office and hit the jackpot.

OhHolyJesus your post yesterday evening is exactly how I feel!

Unfortunately, I think it’s going to take a serious, headline-making incident and subsequent widespread public backlash to occur before those in power are compelled to act. At the moment, most people don’t seem to be aware of the issues.

I'm feeling especially angry after seeing that stupid Starbucks ad where Gemma becomes 'James'. I hate how it's normalizing this obscene ideology which is saying to girls who hate their bodies, that cutting off their breasts, sterilizing themselves and being on hormones ( with long lasting detrimental effects) will make them happy.

She should just be a nicer person and think about what they are going through. Aka shut up and take it.

I'm furious. Not backing down though - do they really think we will? While children are being harmed?
Particularly furious about the Labour web chats and being shut up. We are being treated like children but we are the adults in this room.

do they really think we will? While children are being harmed?

Eventually people forget as they have to get on with life.