Our concerns about gender issues have been deflected, ignored, mocked and erased. Anyone else feeling really angry

[StealthPolarBear]

Angry and helpless? What do we do?
Ironically in the Labour hopeful webchats only the male contender gave an even vaguely decent answer. But it still fell far short of coming close to addressing the issues.
Consultations are ignored. Safeguarding is optional.

[feellikeanalien]

Why am I getting adverts for t-shirts with TransWoman - Adult Human Female on them. Talk about rubbing your nose in it!

[littlbrowndog]

Yeah captain

I never relaised how so many peopl3 with power and privilege are such idiots.

And I do mean corrupt idiots.

It’s going free in Scotland at moment

That civil servant whining that Scot gov never got on stonewall 100 best or whatever

Evans is a civil servant paid by us getting top whack pension and all the paid holidays.

Seems like power corrupts

But being here and speaking to people in real life. Nopes we haven’t lost

We are the best. 💪💪

[Tombakersscarf]

They can have their web chats. They won't get a single vote out of us though and that's what really matters.

[littlbrowndog]

Yeps. No votes from me.

[OhHolyJesus]

Like ahuman I didn't bother with the webchat either, what's the point? Waste of my precious time.

My anger previously crippled me, the rage would paralyse me and I would feel useless, disempowered, ignored and ineffectual.

Now I use it to motivate me, it's not always easy sure, but these fuckers are not getting away with it. We have to keep going.

I talk about this all the time, I really don't give a fuck if I alienate people, they rarely have three thoughts strung together to make a cohesive argument anyway. I've lost friends but talking about safeguarding shouldn't cost friendships and if they do they're not worth being friends with in the first place.

Maybe it's I'm existing within an echo chamber but in there I know others who care about children and women and I'd rather be in the gulag with you lot than a Centre Parcs or Marks and Spencer's changing room, and it would be an echo chamber that was imposed on me than sought out.

Not that long ago I didn't know about any of this stuff and I really don't care what consenting adults do to their own bodies or each other's but if you come for the kids I will take you down with the wrath and fire of all womankind. You see if I don't you fuckers.

Ah, that's better.

[NeurotrashWarrior]

It's clearly systemic in the Labour Party.

After that triggernometry episode with the academic who described how labour weren't interested in his research whereas the tories poured over it is clearly a common approach.

[Babdoc]

Don’t lose heart! Out in the real world, everyone I meet is gender critical, and incredulous at what woke nonsense is being inflicted on us. None of my friends and acquaintances want male bodies in their changing rooms or sports, none of them think female prisoners should have to share communal showers with a leering Karen White sporting an erection. And none of them believe that human beings can change sex.
My friends are mostly in my age group (over 60), and we are the demographic most likely to turn out to vote in elections. Politicians alienate us at their peril!

[ScrimshawTheSecond]

Doesn't seem to matter, though Babdoc. Of course everybody in real life knows the difference between male and female, and deep down knows why women need single sex spaces. But that knowledge is being suppressed and kids are, as we speak, being positively affirmed to medicate themselves in an attempt to change sex. It's so absurd it's almost unreal.

[TheProdigalKittensReturn]

It is frustrating, but what comforts me is this - the public is not on the TRA side. They've gotten away with what they have so far due to the public having no clue what's happening. Twitter may create the illusion that most people are on side, partly because they ban anyone who disagrees to vigorously, but any article where the comments are open will make it clear that most people think TRA dogma is dangerous nonsense.

Also, and I never thought I'd say this, Labour has no chance of winning a general election any time soon, so they can believe whatever silly bollocks they want to a certain extent, because it's the Tories who're going to be running things anyway. And though it's taken a while to get them listening they seem to be listening now, and they've noticed that support for TRA stuff isn't a vote winner.

[snowblight]

I'd imagine trans people and their supporters are pretty angry at being the subject of a campaign that has often resorted to smears and deliberate distortions of the truth

[Charliethefeminist]

One mustn't lose hope. Remember much of what's happened in terms of transparency is due to what started here. Talking, talking, talking. Never give up, never give in. Non desistas, non exieris.

[Barracker]

I'm running on empty a bit myself, right now.

I avoid webchats now, having earned my username a few years ago during the first Jess Phillips webchat, when I was unceremoniously booted off the forum.

I am the type of mumsnetter that it is acceptable to make feel they cannot participate in a webchat. My questions are not the right kind of questions. There are other mumsnetters that must be made to feel welcome to ask questions. It is more important that they feel able to do so, than it is that I feel able to do so.
And there we are.

If webchats were possible a century ago, MNHQ would have restricted the suffragettes to one or two politely worded questions on suffrage, and the rest of the questions would be focussed upon less controversial topics to make the members who didn't want the vote feel more included.
(And those who already had the vote feel less excluded from an oppression they didn't experience)

This is a long game we're playing. Women's rights always have been, and always will be.
If the last decade has taught us anything, it's that the moment you take your foot off the pedal, thinking it's ok to cruise, is the moment the lads put a roadblock up and force you to reroute back to where they want you.

I remember you well from baby feeding thread days, Stealth. You once provided a superb quote about the futility of trying to convince some people with facts and reason. You were right then. Some people are not motivated by what is factual, or fair, or right.
They don't want their decisions to be informed ones. They want them to be easy ones.

We owe it to ourselves and our daughters to make these decisions as hard as we fecking can, for the decision-makers who are busy dissolving the rights of our sex. Whether they want to remain in ignorance or not, we are making it as hard as it can be to say "but I didn't know".

[GrinitchSpinach]

I know others who care about children and women and I'd rather be in the gulag with you lot

One mustn't lose hope. Remember much of what's happened in terms of transparency is due to what started here. Talking, talking, talking. Never give up, never give in.

and OhHolyJesus, Charlie, StealthPolarBear and all the other women here who care about women, children, freedom of sexual orientation and speech and assembly.

Have you UK women any idea how you have inspired others? Why on earth do you think the gender identity extremists spend so much time putting pressure on Justine and nipping about your heels on every thread here?

You are EFFECTIVE. You are organized, you are intelligent and you are committed. People are listening to you.

Things are juuuuuust beginning to move in America (my home). Rumblings of discontent with the status woke are growing louder, and women are getting organized. I am very much afraid we'll go through much worse before anything gets better, but the point is this: UK women have led the way in grassroots activism. You have lent others your courage even when you might have thought it spent.

Take a break if you need to. Hold your loved ones close; stroke your pets and tend your garden; go for a good country walk or thrash with your band. Then come back to the fight. Because women all over the world are watching, and listening, and stepping to the front of the phalanx after seeing what you have accomplished in a few short years.

(Consider this an early Valentine to my UK sisters. )

[Barracker]

Grinitch

[ScrimshawTheSecond]

[OhHolyJesus]

That's lovely Grinitch and I send support and strength to you too.

I think we are on the precipice of something big this year. The court cases, the increased media coverage and when I wander over to Twitter the general comments are more GC.

There is real action being taken all the time, I'm having meetings, making calls, writing letters and researching all the time. Every day. (A woman's work is never done but a GC women's work is fucking relentless.)

We just need to keep going, to tip the balance but raising awareness and fighting in real ways.

Much as I love a good old rant too, the Suffragettes didn't just sit in someone's kitchen and have a good old moan over a brew did they?

Keep fighting the good fight and you take care of yourself too (and I'll be heading to the allotment tomorrow for some fresh air and some perspective) xx

[DodoPatrol]

I am conflicted.

I want the whole daft ideology to come tumbling down, frankly.

But where will that leave my young relative, who has already had her breasts removed in pursuit of an impossible ideal?

I want her never to have to realise what a shit thing she has had done to herself for no good reason except persuading people to use different damn pronouns.

[littlbrowndog]

Who knows dodo.

Am very sad for her

And very very angry against the surgeon who did that to her

[littlbrowndog]

What fucking idiot would mutilate a young girl.

[SarahTancredi]

You can add me to this list.

Cannot believe how desperate everyone is to herd us over to some dark corner so no one knows we are here. I take comfort in knowing that the only reason to do that is because they are shit scared if what we know and all of your abilities to write down in great detail every piece of crap people are falling for in a way even those of us with slightly more limited brain power can understand.

We would not he deleted or banished if what we were saying wasnt true

The worst thing anyone can do is piss off mothers. Because we will always fight to the end where children are concerned. Always

[littlbrowndog]

10 years ago women had mastectomy because of cancer

Now we have young girls having mastectomies for what reasons.

And the surgeons are doing this

Can you imagine looking at a young girl and saying yeah all good.

Now you will be happy

And if you find your leg to be offensive then I cam amputate that as well

Where will it stop

[DodoPatrol]

Thanks, littlbrowndog. I’m more sad than furious but I guess I should get angry. Half the family seems to be just fine with it, but the grandparents look bewildered and sick. And it’s not because they ‘hate’ her. It’s because they love her very dearly.

MN - delete for incorrect bloody pronouns if you must. It won’t change the facts.

[littlbrowndog]

Yeah dodo. I can’t imagine how just awful.

I would feel like your grandparents

To imagine that any medical professionals would do this is beyond belief

[littlbrowndog]

My heart with you dodo