Our concerns about gender issues have been deflected, ignored, mocked and erased. Anyone else feeling really angry

[StealthPolarBear]

Angry and helpless? What do we do?
Ironically in the Labour hopeful webchats only the male contender gave an even vaguely decent answer. But it still fell far short of coming close to addressing the issues.
Consultations are ignored. Safeguarding is optional.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

The cruellest move the GRA law has made is to acknowledge the importance of the difference between women and men, whilst simultaneously rendering women utterly impotent in asserting their actual difference from a man and having the law recognise it, if a man should seek to overrule her.

Oh yes. So much this.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Perhaps they're just trying to ensure that every webchat doesn't end up as a single subject one?

It isn't a single subject though. There are multiple issues.

[ExEUCitizen]

Beginning to get rather annoyed yes. As soon as men wave their little fingers, at the least little excuse, women get forced back. It's never male status that is in question, always women, yet it's men who cannot think straight once their gonads are engaged.

[Mner2000]

I am so tired of all the hoops we have to jump through but daylight is coming... Every day to more and more people. And once you see it, you can’t unsee it.

#debate

[ScrimshawTheSecond]

This isn't about transpeople, it's about new, badly thought through laws that leave gaping holes in safeguarding. Predators can and will take advantage of any legislative opportunities like this to gain access to children and vulnerable people. Ref Karen White, Katie Dolatowski, or David Smith (councillor who called for gender neutral toilets and is waiting court case for paedophilia), for just a few examples.

[CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost]

Nobody is saying it's sexual abuse, they are saying it's the same tactics as PIE used when they attached themselves to the gay scene, and it is.

It really is.

[SapphosRock]

Prescribing trans children drugs to delay their puberty is controversial I agree but it's not sexual abuse. Transgender activists are many things but they're in no way comparable to paedophiles. It's quite an accusation to casually throw around.

[CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost]

It’s not a comparison. It’s history repeating itself.

Not really repeating if it's all part of the same thing and never actually stopped, it's just continuing.

[Al1Langdownthecleghole]

It’s not a comparison. It’s history repeating itself.

[SapphosRock]

Fine to be angry but comparisons to PIE and paedophilia? Really?

[Al1Langdownthecleghole]

The best cartoon on this I’ve seen is the one about the foxes in the hen house. It’s a brilliant commentary on consent.

[Daughterofmabel]

Yes am angry. So many of you have articulated it so well on this thread. But i agree with the poster who said' I think we just have to keep chipping away and raising public awareness.'

[StealthPolarBear]

"To me is like a rescue helicopter hovering over a crumbling cliff asking the stranded and desperate women standing on it "yes, but other than your imminent plunge, what else can I do for you?" Whilst the team who invited the helicopter tut and shush at the women who won't be obligingly diverted from their single issue"
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Is anyone good at drawing cartoons?
Snow, do you ever ask yourself why thos nasty women are so worked up about it all?
Because no one is sodding listening

[Al1Langdownthecleghole]

If females aren't recognised, feminism doesn't exist.

This. And I am especially angry that I can't even say what I think and believe. I'm fifty years old, I've been a mother for 25 of those years and a Health Care Professional for more than 30, yet I have to pretend that the biology that I know to be true, and the experiences I have lived weren't real.

Once upon a time (Ok 2010) we had the Mumsnet election. Within a decade we have become irrelevant.

[ScrimshawTheSecond]

hear, hear, Barracker.

[Barracker]

feminism covers a multitude of issues
"Exactly, it's not all about trans people"

It is, however, ALL about FEMALE people.
To give equitable rights to female people (feminism) you need to stop pretending you don't know WHO or WHAT those female people are.

If females aren't recognised, feminism doesn't exist.

[Languishingfemale]

So many powerful posts on here - thank you all. I needed this to overcome my exhaustion at watching this anti-women child -harming shit going on.

[snowblight]

feminism covers a multitude of issues

Exactly, it's not all about trans people.

They can talk to us like adults.

Maybe they would if members paid attention to the constant reminders that mods want to get a wide range of questions in. As it is a small section of the overall MN membership ignore that, try and swamp each session and then throw a hissy fit here when it doesn't go there way. Doesn't sound very adult to me.

[Barracker]

A political leader engaging a women's forum to canvas the most pressing political interests of those women, and yet refusing to engage on the dissolution of the legal recognition of those very women?
To me is like a rescue helicopter hovering over a crumbling cliff asking the stranded and desperate women standing on it "yes, but other than your imminent plunge, what else can I do for you?" Whilst the team who invited the helicopter tut and shush at the women who won't be obligingly diverted from their single issue.

A reference to women, is a contrast to men.
A reference to women's rights, is an exclusion of men's rights.

To dissolve our recognition is to remove our right to be seen as different from men. It's to remove our right to say no to men.

The cruellest move the GRA law has made is to acknowledge the importance of the difference between women and men, whilst simultaneously rendering women utterly impotent in asserting their actual difference from a man and having the law recognise it, if a man should seek to overrule her.

[Angryresister]

snowblight feminism covers a multitude of issues and we need to discuss them in our terms , our definitions. There are large numbers of women asking a wide range of questions regarding women’s right. Why the fuck shouldn’t we ask them and why should those in positions of power not be accountable ,or at least hear them? Who are you protecting?

[YasssKween]

Perhaps they're just trying to ensure that every webchat doesn't end up as a single subject one?

Then they can say "we aren't going to take any more questions on blah blah blah", I was saying the literal wording of the stock post they use which is "that's enough now" is patronising and smacks of being told to shush. They can talk to us like adults.

[snowblight]

Being literally told "that's enough of that now" just smacks of talking down to us, you know, the users who make up the large audience that facilitates their ad revenue.

Perhaps they're just trying to ensure that every webchat doesn't end up as a single subject one?

[YasssKween]

Forgot to say earlier (as I was typing from my anger) that I genuinely think they need to rethink the wording in the webchats.

Being literally told "that's enough of that now" just smacks of talking down to us, you know, the users who make up the large audience that facilitates their ad revenue.

[CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost]

do they really think we will? While children are being harmed?

Eventually people forget as they have to get on with life.

[MsMcWibble]

I'm furious. Not backing down though - do they really think we will? While children are being harmed?
Particularly furious about the Labour web chats and being shut up. We are being treated like children but we are the adults in this room.