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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

It's 2020 folks. 2020!

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aliasundercover · 05/02/2020 09:47

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/04/i-am-not-a-slapper-labour-mp-tracy-brabin-defends-her-commons-attire

The pic in the story is very disappointing. I thought she was going to be wearing a basque or something

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Goosefoot · 05/02/2020 19:22

They just don't

yeah, but it's not because people are giving them a pass.

I could understand this line of reasoning I suppose if the people who used it also thought that women weren't sexualised in a different way than men are, but mostly thy don't.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 05/02/2020 22:52

I'm not sure what is " vile" about suggesting I'm not one for following the crowd

Now thats funny

see i was Referring to the other Posters talking about the sexist, vile and misogynistic comments in the daily mail and other social media

Fuck all to do with you

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 05/02/2020 23:31

Yes, but that doesn't mean that wearing obviously sexually alluring/provocative clothing is without meaning or intention, on the part of the wearer, though. Obviously no-one is suggesting that women are responsible fro men's actions, but women do have choices and responsibility too.

That's a pretty low bar to be considered "sexually provocative" you've set there. It's 2020 in the UK, bare shoulders aren't really considered scandalous any more (though as I said earlier, the HOC defaults to suit type outfits so the dress wasn't ideal for that reason).

Also, blaming women for men's actions doesn't somehow become not blaming just because you say "I'm not blaming the though". There's a reason why so many people are taking your comments that way.

On another point that's been mentioned, of course there are men's clothes that are considered sexy, though current men's fashion is a bit dull in that regard. Look back at the arse and crotch hugging trousers of the 70s for an example. Even now there are men (Russell Brand springs to mind as an example) who often dress in a "sexy" way. It's just that they don't get shamed for it or blamed for the way others respond to it in the way women do.

poshme · 06/02/2020 00:15

The thing about the photo angle, and the meaning forward- MPs know that the cameras are often from above, and as a shadow front bencher- she's going to be leaning forward on the despatch box.
Personally I think it was an inappropriate outfit for the occasion. Doesn't matter where she'd been beforehand.
MPs in parliament should look professional, and I don't think she did.

HorseFlyOfExtraordinaryLength · 06/02/2020 09:28

Imagine Russell Brand in the HOC Grin
I'm not keen on him but that'd be funny

goingoverground · 06/02/2020 12:09

@HorseFlyOfExtraordinaryLength
Just for you. Russell Brand in the HOC (well, Portcullis House) baring both shoulders:
www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/home-affairs-committee/news/120424-drugs-oral-ev/

HorseFlyOfExtraordinaryLength · 06/02/2020 17:16
Grin
Goosefoot · 06/02/2020 19:14

Russel Brand always looks like his eyeballs are going to pop out.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 06/02/2020 19:52

I don't think that Tracy Brabin's outfit was appropriate for a work environment, although the camera angle is unfortunate. All the sexist comments are appalling, especially the ones here, on a feminist board.
Justhadathought
Yes, but if you will dress in clothing that is specifically designed to reveal your female shape..then you can probably expect responses which are sexist......If you wear plunging necklines and push-up bras do you really expect people not to notice or comment.
Please point out where her push up bra is or is it in the same place as her plunging neckline. Nowhere to be seen.

Evenquieterlife33 · 06/02/2020 20:15

I think she just made a very bad fashion error. If you would t wear it to an office you shouldn’t wear it in the House of Commons. What makes is a feminism issue is the fact that she was called a slapper etc, like getting her shoulder out was more than bad fashion judgement and some immoral flesh showcase. She wore an outfit more suited to a restaurant to work. That’s all.

hoorayforharoldlloyd · 07/02/2020 15:32

Unimpressed by the ageism here as well - is her shoulder more offensive because she's middle aged?

And weird slagging off of older women for wearing high heels - why on earth does it bother you? Heels for that age group are very much a smart and conservative norm. I hope my back, hips and knees can still take it!

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