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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Elizabeth Warren

54 replies

GlitchStitch · 31/01/2020 22:16

Is going to LOSE. Her Secretary of Education will be interviewed by a 'young trans person' who will have the final say on the appointment. Trump is going to be re-elected in a landslide and shit like this is why.

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nauticant · 31/01/2020 22:22

The most oppressed group ever™.

DeeZastris · 31/01/2020 22:26

I still can’t get over that she lied about being part Native American. I mean, who does that?
Anyway, she seems like she has totally lost it. A pure vote loser.

Umyeahnah · 31/01/2020 22:27

I dont know whether to laugh or cringe.

I agree OP.

GlitchStitch · 31/01/2020 22:29

I like this tweet underneath- 'all the left has to do is not be crazy, but here we are'

Completely batshit. Maybe she's scared of actually winning the nomination.

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Umyeahnah · 31/01/2020 22:29

I still can’t get over that she lied about being part Native American. I mean, who does that?
Anyway, she seems like she has totally lost it. A pure vote loser.

She also lied about her son not attending private schools. Also that she was fired for being pregnant. Both blatent lies.

Imnobody4 · 31/01/2020 22:30

What on earth is she thinking. I can't begin to comprehend her strategy. Its going to be Trump and Boris for the rest of my life.

ShonaAndTheWaterHorse · 31/01/2020 22:49

I don't think I'd heard her speaking before. She's dementedly fanatical isn't she?

This sums it up. You can swop "not be perfect" for a more derogatory comment but the second part will still hold good.

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BickerinBrattle · 31/01/2020 22:54

This is a hail Mary pass for the California vote heading into Super Tuesday. Prior to that, her numbers are dismal in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, don’t know about Nevada but the state’s biggest union endorsed Sanders.

This will utterly alienate the Black vote, though. The conditions of schools in Black communities is WAY more pressing than trans issues.

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 31/01/2020 23:19

She did not lie about being Native American. She simply repeated a family story that she believed to be true. Quite common for early settler families like mine to have these family stories. Thousands of white people in the US have Black, Hispanic, and Native American ancestry stories. Some are true. It was part of the sixties pop culture to appropriate Native American identity.

FYI, it is unlikely Democrats believe Trump voters who claim they are considering voting for a Democratic candidate. The best most Democrats think Republicans are capable of is staying home.

GCAcademic · 31/01/2020 23:27

Oh dear. As far as electoral suicide goes, this makes Hillary’s deplorables comment seem rather lacklustre.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 31/01/2020 23:28

Well, that's off the wall.

CunningOperative · 31/01/2020 23:35

Why trans? Why not a young person who is disabled, why not a black or a native American young person, why not a child trafficking survivor?

donquixotedelamancha · 31/01/2020 23:40

Can you imagine a similar statement about any other group?

'I'm going to have a random black 22 year old interview my secretary of defense and if they don't like her then I'm going to pick someone else- because, of course all, black people think the same and have special powers to decide someone is a good person.'

'All of the judges I appoint will be vetted by a committee of gingers'.

ShonaAndTheWaterHorse · 31/01/2020 23:48

She did not lie about being Native American. She simply repeated a family story that she believed to be true. Quite common for early settler families like mine to have these family stories

That is not the case. She did far more than repeat a story she believed to be true. Here's a couple of links out of the gazillion available.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/10/16/17983250/elizabeth-warren-bar-application-american-indian-dna

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/elizabeth-warren-apologizes-for-calling-herself-native-american/2019/02/05/1627df76-2962-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html%3foutputType=amp

AnotherLass · 01/02/2020 00:27

Her polling ratings have fallen off a cliff

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

It seems to me that the collapse coincided with when she started going full TRA - the LGBT Townhall thing was in October, which was when she started falling. But there may also be other reasons.

Goosefoot · 01/02/2020 00:35

Shona

I don't think those articles really give us much indication that there is no story of native ancestry in Warren's family. It suggests she added details to it it, like the being fired story, which in both cases is quite weird. (Although, it is a thing that seems to happen a lot now in politics in the US, creating a sort of narrative to allow people to identify with you.) The DNA tests are irrelevant. They don't tell us that the family had no such story, and they aren't even reliable past a few generations anyway.

I'm not convinced that the cultural zeitgeist at the time Warren was doing things like contributing to the cookbook was very similar to the way it is now, when appropriation is one of the cardinal sins. The emphasis in race studies seemed to be on claiming anyone with even a small connection as a member of the group.

Goosefoot · 01/02/2020 00:41

I wonder if she thought that idea up on the spot? I can't imagine it's something you'd think up beforehand and then actually say once you'd thought about it for 30 seconds.

ShonaAndTheWaterHorse · 01/02/2020 00:47

Warren has claimed for decades to have a minority status she doesn't have.

I don't know how anyone can defend her or downplay that.

ShonaAndTheWaterHorse · 01/02/2020 00:52

I don't think those articles really give us much indication that there is no story of native ancestry in Warren's family

There is nothing in her family background which supports her having Native American heritage beyond that vague hand me down story. She has no experience whatsoever of Native American culture or actually living as or bring treated as Native American.

But on the basis of that vague hand me down story this despicable women has presented herself as Native American at Harvard and The Bar Association.

ShonaAndTheWaterHorse · 01/02/2020 00:58

In 1993, Harvard Law School offered Warren a highly coveted tenured professor job. The record is clear as to how she obtained the offer -- Harvard had been the subject of a discrimination lawsuit at the time regarding its hiring practices, and the school was openly trying to hire women and people of color at its law school

Warren did not begin her job until 1995 due to “family reasons,” but shortly after she started, Harvard Law School News Director Mike Chmura began touting her as the first woman of color to be given tenure at the institution. Here are just some of the references to her minority status

1996: Spokesperson Chmura identifies Warren as a native American professor in theHarvard Crimson

1997: In the Fordham Law Review,Chmuratouts Warren as Harvard Law’s “first woman of color.”

1998:Chmura, in a letter to the New York Times, stated that the law school had appointed “eight women, including a Native American.” Three days later, the Crimson reiterated that “Harvard Law School has only one tenured minority woman, Gottlieb Professor Elizabeth Warren, who is Native American.”

1999: Harvard begins publishing its affirmative action plan on its website and lists a single Native American professor

Public reports continued to list a single native American professor at the school intermittingly until 2011. The U.S. Department of Labor requires large employers like Harvard to collect diversity statistics annually. Based on public reporting, it is likely that Harvard reported Warren as a minority to the U.S. government during her time

www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/06/28/harvard_must_set_the_record_straight_on_elizabeth_warren_140678.html

Goosefoot · 01/02/2020 01:02

Having native ancestry doesn't require having an experience of native culture.

And most of those family stories don't have supporting evidence. Which isn't to say they aren't true, any historian will tell you that family stories like that often do have some truth to them, and sometimes they are totally accurate, and there simply isn't any kind of evidence. It's history, not science. Often what happens is the story remains the same over generations, without accounting for the passage of time properly, so the relationship is much farther back than the family realises.

Thingybob · 01/02/2020 01:37

I dont know whether to laugh or cringe. or be angry that potential world leaders can be this stupid or cry with frustration at the absurdity of it all?

This is Jacob who EW would entrust with the power to appoint her Secretary of Education

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=NQIXGh-PQ-8&feature=emb_logo

and this is Jacob's story as told by his mother

Italiangreyhound · 01/02/2020 01:53

I think she could have made a point much more widely by including a range of young people and consulting with them.

So many of the candidates are quite old, I hadn't realized she is also quite a bit older than I thought. I wonder if she is trying to just get a high profile this way (rather misplaced I think).