Elizabeth Warren

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Is going to LOSE. Her Secretary of Education will be interviewed by a 'young trans person' who will have the final say on the appointment. Trump is going to be re-elected in a landslide and shit like this is why.

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Begs the question, why not just make the trans kid president?

Having native ancestry doesn't require having an experience of native culture

The DNA testing showed she had a minute amount of Native American DNA as do many millions of American.

She was not brought up in background which had any connection to Native American culture. She did not suffer oppression as a Native American. The family history you are going on about is as vague as vague can be- even as she tells it.

Warren is no more a member of an oppressed minority than Jonathan Yaniv is a woman. And both are despicable.

How do you justify her actions? There's an enormous difference between being proud of a family story of some distance ancestry and claiming to be full on "American Indian" on an official document or job application. It doesn't speak well of her honesty.

I do not think Warren is responsible for the lies the uni told about her.

The whole Native American thing doesn’t matter. What matters is she believes that you need to say this sort of thing - Native American, trans kids etc - to get elected. She hasn’t paid any attention to any election in any western country in recent years that have demonstrated you need to say the things that matter to most people even if they don’t tweet about it.

One of those tweets underneath that’s supportive says “it doesn’t matter if it loses a few votes”. Of course it matters! This sort of thing loses thousands of votes and it was only thousands between Clinton and Trump in the end. You have to get elected first before you have any chance of implementing a batshit policy.

She really has the worst advisers.

Her poll numbers started sliding after she came down unequivocally for a universal health care system that would apply to everyone.

I know that sounds completely lala to UK & Euro readers, but there's a noticeable slice of USians terrified of having to go to a doctor they don't like (or something) so they want to stick with a system that forces them to go to a very limited number of doctors. No, it makes no sense.

But anyway, her numbers never really recovered after that. The Native American thingy and all the rest of it isn't really that big a deal except among those who already don't like her and want to find a reason for it.

The trans idiocy is going to peel off another whole slice of voters. I couldn't figure out what she was thinking, but the comment earlier saying it was probably a Hail Mary pass for the California vote sounds about right.

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I do not think Warren is responsible for the lies the uni told about her

And where did they get the misinformation from? Do you think they just made it up? Took a look at her and thought "yes she looks the part" Even if you are prepared to believe that implausible scenario she went along with it for years.

Warren herself said that she was sorry that she identified herself as a Native American for almost two decades.

And even if you believe the implausible scenario that the university just made up lies about her ethnicity Warren is definitely responsible for filling in her own Bar registration form claiming she is Native American.

The Washington Post obtained Warren’s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an “American Indian.” Warren filled out the card by hand in neat and signed it. Dated April 1986, it is the first document to surface showing Warren making the claim in her own handwriting. Her office didn’t dispute its authenticity.

The Native American thingy and all the rest of it isn't really that big a deal except among those who already don't like her and want to find a reason for it

I'm not a US citizen but Native Americans are the most impoverished racial group. Their problems don't get anywhere near the coverage Black Lives matter. They account for less than 1 percent of the national population, but who make up nearly 2 percent of all police killings.

This board gets very upset at the appropriation of womanhood by trans women yet Warren's appropriation of a genuinely oppressed minority is being shrugged off as no big deal/ even not her fault.

I don't need to find an excuse to dislike her- she has given me a good reason not to.

Such hypocrisy. It is impossible to be even a little bit the other sex, whereas it is perfectly possible to be partly a different race, yet transgender is good, but transracial is bad. And this woman, who used her transracial self- ID purely to benefit herself, is not vilified in the way Rachel Dolezal was (even though she used her transracial self-ID to work for the benefit of the race with which she identified).

Some background:

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Well I always disliked her, and I'm with Shona - the woman identified herself as part of a marginalised community when really, she was not - and no, even if she believed great aunt Sally was part Cherokee (I'm paraphrasing) this does not give her a get out of jail card for pretending to be Native American to get ahead in her career.

And we do not need to like someone just because they are a woman - we still need to hold them to account, and on most accounts, for women and everyone else, EW fails.

Claiming to be part American Indian goes to the heart of character. She must have knowingly colluded with the law school for her own personal advantage. It's disgraceful behaviour, first for claiming the identity and then for being too cowardly to ask the school not to exploit it in a tawdry public relations campaign. Total lack of integrity.

Whatever happens, there will be no Trump landslide.

What could happen is that the Dems could win the popular vote by as much as 7 million and still lose the EC. If this happens and they take the Senate, as seems likely, fasten your seat belts for a very bumpy ride.

That 4thwavenow piece about the surgery route and the profits being made out of lying to vulnerable people should be in every newspaper and TV programme from now until Christmas. It should be talked about everywhere from Newsnight to the One Show. The Guardian should be making it their long read.

But it’s not. How odd.

She has her pronouns on her twitter bio. Enough said...

Her poll numbers started sliding after she came down unequivocally for a universal health care system that would apply to everyone.

This is not correct. Her poll numbers started sliding after she BACKTRACKED from supporting Medicare for All, something she hadn’t actually come out robustly in favor of. Eventually she came out in favor of a gradual transition toward universal health insurance that she wouldn’t even bring to Congress until the last 2 years of her terms, if elected — which is generally when a president is at their weakest.

I’ve been following US politics very closely for a long time. Warren has the worst political instincts I’ve ever seen in a presidential candidate. Over and over again, she lets someone else set the terms of debate.

One would have thought, that Warren's "cultural appropriation" and the Democrats being the "woke party", would be completely at odds with each other?

Woke politics seems to be less about policing unpermitted opinions and more about policing unpermitted persons.

(When I say that many people in the US don't care much about the Native American claims in Warren's campaign, I'm not saying that what she's doing is okay or a good thing. I'm just saying that the voters who care have little intention of voting for her.)

Just for the record, unlike deciding you're really the opposite sex, when it comes to race, you really can be, biologically, a little bit of another races or races. Most of us are. Cultural or social membership is another matter and gets determined by the group involved. The Cherokee have explicit methods for determining membership and Warren didn't meet the requirements.

As for voting for her, compared to what's left of what was a talented field, she's pretty much the only useful candidate. Biden has enough baggage for an old style movie star. Bernie is a non-starter. (The Repubs are going to have a field day, an absolute field day, running nonstop ads about his rape essays.) And all the rest of Rabbit's Friends and Relations are equally irrelevant. That said, I'm pretty sure nobody needs to worry about whether to vote for her. The way things look, she's not getting the nomination. So there's that.

She’s a fucking idiot and trying to jump on the woke bandwagon to stay relevant. Why can’t you pick your own education secretary? Why the hell would you need to get a child who is likely to have quite profound mental health issues to tell you who you should appoint? It’s ludicrous and actually quite offensive.

How do you justify her actions? There's an enormous difference between being proud of a family story of some distance ancestry and claiming to be full on "American Indian" on an official document or job application. It doesn't speak well of her honesty.

Back in the 80's, and even the 90's, there was a different attitude to these kinds of claims of ancestry, and people didn't talk about them quite the same way either. Perhaps it was different in the UK, but in the US the model being used in race studies was the one-drop model, based on how it was decided if a person was black in the slave/segregation eras. If you had even a tiny amount of African ancestry, you were black. This way of thinking was pretty mainstream in terms of how people were thinking about race and membership in racial groups. The black history centre around the corner from my house, for example, had in the mid-90s a portrait of Queen Charlotte hanging, because she was after all a black woman, by their reckoning. There was also a sense that it was positive to have public figures who had some minority ancestry identified and counted as part of the group, to provide role models and inspiration for minority kids, and a sense that it would also help if more people acknowledged their own ancestry. (And as someone pointed out, ancestry is often mixed. There isn't anything inherently offensive about that.)

As for voting for her, compared to what's left of what was a talented field, she's pretty much the only useful candidate. Biden has enough baggage for an old style movie star. Bernie is a non-starter.

I think Sanders is likely to better than the other two. I can't decide if I think Warren or Biden would do worse, but I think they'd likely both lose.

How do you justify her actions?

Why do yo think it is women on FWR job to justify a US political candidate's actions? She is a woman and therefore...what?

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No, in the US in the 80s and 90s you could NOT easily claim Native American ancestry. I was dealing with school admissions issues then, and while yes one could claim just about any ethnicity, Native American was the one protected group one could not just assert membership in, because that membership is governed by tribal registries. Our school explicitly stated that to applicants, warning them they could not game the system that way.

Surely Warren as a lawyer would have known about tribal registries. Native American lands and tribes have a particular relationship with state and federal laws.

Warren was also at that time — the time of the Reagan admin, FFS — a Republican.

(Oh, and one more footnote: when I say Warren is the most useful candidate left, I'm not using that as a synonym for marvelous or anything. The Dems got rid of their best, like they usually do.)

And as for everybody losing, given the field that remains, yup. Agree. Especially since not remotely enough is being done to stop vote suppression, vote stealing, and general all around cheating.