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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So apparently Starbucks have ‘partnered’ with mermaids

233 replies

Kenworthington · 29/01/2020 13:57

So the manager of my local one told me today. She looked aghast when I said I didn’t agree with it then as I started explaining, she had to take a drive through order. We had been chatting about my eldest ds being gay and she obv thought I’d approve of this collaboration. Hah. . I’m thinking of writing down where I stand on it and passing it to her. I take my elderly mum in there every day for a coffee and pastry. Not any more. Sigh. I hate thats it’s made me ‘that’ person

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ahagwearsapointybonnet · 06/02/2020 21:34

Well they lost my business today. I was at a venue with coffee shop and was planning to have coffee & cake there, but then remembered it was a Starbucks and yes, they did have the cookies.... so I went to a different one down the road instead.

WeetabixBananaHipsterFFS · 06/02/2020 21:57

I can’t drink less of their burning-tyre effluent than I already do (i.e. none) but my mother is now on a boycott. Nice one, boomer Grin

AdaFromYorkshire · 06/02/2020 21:58

Sadly they're not going to notice me boycotting them as I've never been to a Starbucks - or a Costa for that matter. If there isn't an independent tea or coffee shop I'll happily go without. Mermaids indeed, what a lot of nonsense.

FannyCann · 06/02/2020 22:24

Too twitter thread. (Apologies if it's already been posted).

https://twitter.com/mshelenwatts/status/1224252179051171840?s=21

GrinGrinGrin

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 06/02/2020 22:33

Oookay, that Twitter status is a bit of a nonsense - if Starbucks cared about the health of trans kids they'd pay their taxes?!
How's them paying their taxes helping trans kids?
What's that got to do with the price of fish? Confused

Melissana · 06/02/2020 22:36

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Tombakersscarf · 06/02/2020 23:20

Taxes contribute to the nhs.

NoSquirrels · 07/02/2020 00:25

if Starbucks cared about the health of trans kids they'd pay their taxes?!
How's them paying their taxes helping trans kids?
What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Err, c'mon Willis, you're not hard of thinking! Paying UK taxes = contributing to the NHS = contributing to the "already severely overstretched services" all trans people talk about constantly.

This is a PR stunt by a company who don't give much of a crap about social responsibility.

That an NHS GP is happy to promote it is not great.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/02/2020 06:12

I've seen elsewhere that TRAs are extremely annoyed with this advert.

Apparently it deadnames throughout (don't get that bit) and is extremely triggering.

bellinisurge · 07/02/2020 06:14

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NeurotrashWarrior · 07/02/2020 06:15

This is ad as bad as that young children's book that shows a girl rejecting all the pink and fluff, and then enjoying riding her bike through mud wearing trousers because she's seen a dr and is actually a boy.

ItsLateHumpty · 07/02/2020 06:59

I've seen elsewhere that TRAs are extremely annoyed with this advert.

Purity spirals suck good

Bada boom!

Lordfrontpaw · 07/02/2020 07:44

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testing987654321 · 07/02/2020 07:52

Apparently it deadnames throughout (don't get that bit) and is extremely triggering.

This is 1984 territory "we were always at war with Eurasia".
A person transitions and chooses a new name but you are meant to pretend that was always their name.

Lordfrontpaw · 07/02/2020 08:03

And if they decide to change back or change again? Heaven help you if you get the name wrong.

It’s such a mess and this is why I call everyone ‘darling’ ‘m’love’ and ‘sweetie’ (although I’m sure that’s wrong speak).

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 07/02/2020 12:28

I’ve been telling Starbucks my name is [insert male political figure here] for YEARS and their minimum wage staff have never even noticed. Occasionally I’ve gotten a feminised version (think Doris instead of Boris).

Prefer Costa though, because they don’t charge extra for soya milk.

Lordfrontpaw · 07/02/2020 12:33

Apparently DH has been telling them since they started the whole 'name on the cup' thing that his name is Lucifer. I never knew that!

Haworthia · 07/02/2020 23:39

Saw the advert on TV tonight. I guess I was supposed to feel heartwarmed but I felt kind of sick to be honest. Like we don’t have enough issues with social contagion already, we now have TV adverts encouraging confused/angsty teenage girls to trans themselves because that will fix everything.

BeaStoic · 07/02/2020 23:58

At first I thought it was a boy transitioning into a girl and that they were really chuffed when their dad introduced them as "Jemma" Confused Starbucks ads are obviously too clever for me!

Lamahaha · 09/02/2020 17:15

I just read this on Facebook:
Sunlight! Grin

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/08/starbucks-new-charity-associations-leave-bitter-taste/

"If you enjoy puddle-like coffee and pastries with the texture of rock-cakes then you are doubtless a fan of Starbucks, the horrible American coffee chain which sits on every high street in the world. Meaning you might be happy to learn that this week a fresh morsel was added to the counter of inedible products in the company’s stores across the UK. These are “mermaid” cookies. And as the faux-friendly writing on all the identikit chalkboards at all the depressing Starbucks stores inform customers, these are cookies with a purpose.

Starbucks have come up with this particular tooth-rotter in the name of something they present sweetly. Purchase a “mermaids cookie” and a full 50p will be given by Starbucks to the charity Mermaids. So sweet. So innocent. Or sickening. Depending what you know.

Personally I view Mermaids as one of the most sinister charitable organisations in the UK. Starbucks simply says that the group supports “young transgender and gender diverse people and their families”. The undrinkable coffee chain claims that all those 50 pences will pay to support a helpline for such people. In fact everything that Mermaids pushes is deeply controversial and with implications which need to be properly interrogated.

Let’s just start with that presumption – put on all those Starbucks boards: what are “gender diverse people”? Does anybody know? Can anybody justify or explain the phrase? I would offer a year’s supply of edible croissants from any of Starbucks' competitors for anyone who can.

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Then there is the lobbying that Mermaids puts out to persuade society at large that children who believe – or are encouraged to believe – that they are in the “wrong body” should be helped to change sex. Something which is presented by Mermaids as though it is not just a right but a doozy. Think you’d like to become a girl? Why not give it a go? Vice versa? No problem!

Whatever societal madness future historians work out encouraged this fiasco, the most striking aspect of it is that on this matter, as on so many others, the adults all appear to have left the room. People do not question the new orthodoxy. If someone says that certain children should be given puberty blockers so that they can transition into approximations of the opposite sex who are we to question it?

So it is fitting that this week the news emerged of a 13-year-old girl applying for a judicial review against Oxfordshire County Council. The cause is the council’s ‘Trans Inclusion Toolkit for Schools 2019’ which Oxfordshire County Council has given to more than 300 schools in the area.

Its advice says – among other things – that girls like the girl known only as ‘Miss A’ should share changing rooms, lavatories and even residential dormitories on school trips with any boy who identifies as a girl. Campaigners against accommodation of such ‘self-identification’ say that this advice poses a serious risk to children.

It will be interesting to see in the months and indeed years ahead who wins stand-offs such as this one. The fact that multinationals like Starbucks can so easily jump on board with the agenda that Mermaids is pushing is just the latest demonstration of how fast this new orthodoxy is being accepted.

Meanwhile parents and others who object to this agenda are wrongly portrayed as backwards and bigoted: people who are trying either to make people murder trans people or make trans people kill themselves. Thus with the language of catastrophism is an actual catastrophe mainstreamed into society.

What studies there are show that around four fifths of children diagnosed with the highly dubious condition ‘gender dysphoria’ will grow up to be perfectly happy straight or gay men or women – happy in their own bodies.

For any sane society this would be just one sign that the claims of the trans extremists need far more investigation than they are currently getting. So how encouraging it is that a 13 year old schoolgirl should try to inject some sense into a debate which nearly all the adults in our society have fearfully, disgracefully ducked."

ItsLateHumpty · 09/02/2020 21:18

Nice! Star

Hope he's wearing a hard hat!

Lordfrontpaw · 09/02/2020 21:19

It’s a man, he will be fine...

ArcheryAnnie · 10/02/2020 00:10

Was in Tottenham Court Road, walked past Starbucks and into the Caffe Nero (which is next to a really nice bit of architectural ironwork, if anyone is into that sort of thing, which I am).

I xan't remember the last time I went into a Caffe Nero. It was really nice. Anyone know if they pay their taxes?

SerendipityJane · 10/02/2020 11:31

I can't remember the last time I went into a Caffe Nero. It was really nice. Anyone know if they pay their taxes?

might know Grin

DuLANGMondeFOREVER · 10/02/2020 11:58

Less Mermaid, more decapitated fish!

Who thought cutting off the tail and encouraging people to eat it was good PR representation for gender distressed children?

The mind boggles.

So apparently Starbucks have ‘partnered’ with mermaids