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Teacher's Account - PHSE inc Beastiality and Sex Toys -11/12yr olds

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OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 21:55

From Safe Schools Alliance. Makes me want to home school my kid. Apologies for the formatting.

I am utterly horrified at what was taught at a PSHE lesson at my school recently. It was to a group of children, most are 11-12 years old. It is so, so much worse than I thought.
The topic was LGBT and Diversity. The kids were taught that biological sex is your anatomy (genitals etc), however, male, female and intersex are genders and are on a spectrum. They were told that people can identify however they want -- as male or female. Some people identify as neither; some identify as non-binary. The teachers spoke about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. They explained a lesbian is attracted to ‘other women’, but it was clear that if anyone can identify as a woman then ‘other women’ may actually be men. ‘Cisgender’ was also mentioned and the kids were told that ‘a cisgender person is someone who identifies with the sex they were assigned at birth’. Sex and gender were conflated throughout the lesson and sometimes they were used as synonyms. The kids went home thinking God knows what.
The kids were also told briefly about bestiality, sex toys and masturbation. I really, truly wish that I was kidding. I don’t know who brought up bestiality but the teachers should have shut this down immediately and explained that it is inappropriate, not to mention illegal in the UK. Nothing of the sort. One of the teachers said it was a sexuality whereby some people are attracted to and have sex with animals. It was talked about like it is completely normal. The other things that were taught, were sex toys and masturbation. The kids were told about how people “pleasure themselves”, that some women use a vibrator and some men masturbate to pornography.
I feel disgusted and disheartened. I feel a lesson like that should be reported to the headteacher and the governors but I don’t think it will be dealt with appropriately. The school has form for not taking safeguarding seriously. I feel like I’m going mad and I’m wrong. I know I’m not, but it feels like it. I hope that the parents will say something. They must. Some of the boys [in our school] act a lot older than their age. They are always making inappropriate sexual comments or asking inappropriate sexual questions. I suspect some are also watching pornography online. A couple are obsessed with murder, rape [of girls], suicide and corporal punishment. The sort of PSHE lesson I witnessed will do nothing to challenge their unhealthy attitudes to sex, relationships and women.
We also have a student who is transgender. A girl who identifies as a boy. We were told to use male pronouns to use for her. There was no discussion. I don’t think this is in [the student’s] best interests but I felt unable to say anything. A teacher was reprimanded by a colleague for using ‘she’ for this girl. I [have been] forced to lie to a student. She used ‘she’ for the [transboy] and was told off by a teacher. I am being forced to actively lie. I feel that I cannot safeguard my students effectively. I am worried and scared for the kids-- especially our girls – what they’re being told and being forced to use mixed-sex toilets. At this point, I think that the only thing that will stop all this madness is some poor young girl being harmed. The local council is in meltdown. [We] have sent them two letters. They haven’t responded to the second one but from the response to the first one they don’t see any safeguarding issues. Ofsted and the DfE are on board the trans train. The DfE is funding Mermaids. Who are teachers supposed to turn to?
Teacher, 32, England

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Datun · 17/01/2020 08:13

The deletion message was that they've 'got some concerns'.

There was a poster on there who did seem to have been negatively affected by early exposure to porn, which might have been the concern.

I can't believe that it was the content of the actual thread.

HandsOffMyRights · 17/01/2020 08:14

So they've deleted OP's post on AIBU? on the basis of 'reports'

Was this because many concerned parents, teachers, women, drew attention to attempts to lower the age of consent, removing boundaries, teaching girls to suck it up, sexualising children, teaching gender ideology as fact, lying to children, telling lesbians it's fine to accept penis (just because one young poster doesn't mind) oh and normalising porn and beastiality?

Clymene · 17/01/2020 08:14

Deletion message

Teacher's Account - PHSE inc Beastiality and Sex Toys -11/12yr olds
HandsOffMyRights · 17/01/2020 08:16

There was a poster on there who did seem to have been negatively affected by early exposure to porn, which might have been the concern.

Agree that this was concerning.

SarahTancredi · 17/01/2020 08:17

But this easily could have happened as we all saw the wcc respect yourself stuff!

And given it's just "under review " as opposed to absolutely done away with it easily could be something that's circulation.

And op has been around for ages and ssa is doing some very good work and has been mentioned umpteen times on here without deletion

Makes no sense at all Hmm

SarahTancredi · 17/01/2020 08:18

And werent there other threads that have been deleted. Was the same poster on all of them?

Datun · 17/01/2020 08:18

Makes no sense at all hmm

Personally, I think it's partly deliberate, but partly new people hearing this for the first time are so incredulous they think it's made up.

thirdfiddle · 17/01/2020 08:21

Gosh, trying to spread lies about a parents' concern group - how blatant is that? Very revealing.

SarahTancredi · 17/01/2020 08:21

Is it usually newbies who do the whole "it never happened " thing?

I mean there were links to the thread about wcc they could see for themselves

OhHolyJesus · 17/01/2020 08:24

I've emailed to ask why that thread has been taken down Clymene

This is insane.

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OhHolyJesus · 17/01/2020 08:26

I think they same could have been said about the abuse in the Catholic Church Datun and I've lost count of the news reports I've seen where a child abuser I was an upstanding member of the community so couldn't possibly be a paedophile.

Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Ereshkigal · 17/01/2020 08:28

If they're going to say there's no evidence they need to shut down AIBU entirely.

Ereshkigal · 17/01/2020 08:29

Countless mothers in laws and neighbours could sue for defamation.

OhHolyJesus · 17/01/2020 08:30

I attempted to post this twice, before it was allowed to stay, now 100+ posts in its deleted again. Lanurk jumped on so could have reported the other two. Can a thread get deleted before anyone posts if it's not reported?

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 17/01/2020 08:33

Sadly it isn't made up and some teachers do behave like that!

DSis has fought this off for 3 years (not in Warwickshire either) and has been overruled every year. Her colleagues aren't really on board but, on school exchange visits, she has sat through just such scariness... and reported it. She is NOT the anonymous teacher here but is mulling it over, to whistle blow just before she retires.

It obviously isn't everywhere, but we shpuld be aware that it does exists... take Warwickshire as a loud warning klaxon and stop pretending it isn't what some hysterical, agenda driven liar says it is.

It is happening..... we can't let it continue!

Retrofitted · 17/01/2020 08:34

And any child bringing up porn/fetish questions should be reported to safeguarding bodies.

In sex ed lessons it’s common to take questions, often something like anonymous slips of paper, from the class, and discuss them.

Children asking about porn, or a fetish, in the context of a lesson on sex and relationships, is just children taking part in a lesson on the topic.

Lessons like this that give children information and context for what is normal, legal, illegal, and so on, are essential in helping them know when something isn’t ok, and helping them have the language to talk about things and seek help or disclose.

HandsOffMyRights · 17/01/2020 08:37

I was on the thread - what's the email for Mumnset? I want to know why it was removed, given much of the posting on AIBU? that's allowed to stand.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 17/01/2020 08:37

What the hell - why has the post in AIBU been deleted. The content of the OP exactly the same as this one so surely this one should be deleted to by that logic?

They are trying to relegate us to our own little 'bigot corner' making out we are some tin hat conspiracy people - this is happening, why aren't people seeing this? To be fair, if questioning dubious sex Ed content which contravenes safeguarding makes me a bigot then I'm happy to be a bigot.

Retrofitted · 17/01/2020 08:37

The quoted lesson description might have carried more weight had it not been followed by a totally unconnected negative commentary on a trans individual in the school.

That part comes across as quite biased and agenda driven.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 17/01/2020 08:39

Lanurk is a naive fool at best, at worst is deliberately shitting down relevant and appropriate discussion about safeguarding - you have to question why.

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 17/01/2020 08:41

Retro, I disagree, I think it adds to the safeguarding concerns. The teachers said the child was vulnerable and others were compelled to participate in a lie.

Aesopfable · 17/01/2020 08:41

Retrofit they are very much connected but I agree that it may be better to post the lesson bit separately as less likely to be censured.

Datun · 17/01/2020 08:43

Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Yes, I agree. And, of course, AIBU would be shut down in a heartbeat if everything had to be evidenced.

I'm just trying to get inside the headspace that would shut that thread down, and why.

Hopefully an explanatory email will be forthcoming.

SarahTancredi · 17/01/2020 08:43

Lanurk is a naive fool at best, at worst is deliberately shitting down relevant and appropriate discussion about safeguarding - you have to question why

It seems to be a common theme. Come on to a feminist thread call every one bigots and 'phobes, ignore any evidence or well articulated posts from educated knowledgable poster, be unable to answer any simple question then resort to reporting and getting threads or posts deleted.

Couragecallsagain · 17/01/2020 08:44

Andrew Moffatt's No Outsiders 'services' are actively being promoted in Birmingham by senior education leaders on social media (and by word of mouth too) with links to Andrew's direct email.

Word is not spreading quickly enough.

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