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Teacher's Account - PHSE inc Beastiality and Sex Toys -11/12yr olds

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OhHolyJesus · 16/01/2020 21:55

From Safe Schools Alliance. Makes me want to home school my kid. Apologies for the formatting.

I am utterly horrified at what was taught at a PSHE lesson at my school recently. It was to a group of children, most are 11-12 years old. It is so, so much worse than I thought.
The topic was LGBT and Diversity. The kids were taught that biological sex is your anatomy (genitals etc), however, male, female and intersex are genders and are on a spectrum. They were told that people can identify however they want -- as male or female. Some people identify as neither; some identify as non-binary. The teachers spoke about lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. They explained a lesbian is attracted to ‘other women’, but it was clear that if anyone can identify as a woman then ‘other women’ may actually be men. ‘Cisgender’ was also mentioned and the kids were told that ‘a cisgender person is someone who identifies with the sex they were assigned at birth’. Sex and gender were conflated throughout the lesson and sometimes they were used as synonyms. The kids went home thinking God knows what.
The kids were also told briefly about bestiality, sex toys and masturbation. I really, truly wish that I was kidding. I don’t know who brought up bestiality but the teachers should have shut this down immediately and explained that it is inappropriate, not to mention illegal in the UK. Nothing of the sort. One of the teachers said it was a sexuality whereby some people are attracted to and have sex with animals. It was talked about like it is completely normal. The other things that were taught, were sex toys and masturbation. The kids were told about how people “pleasure themselves”, that some women use a vibrator and some men masturbate to pornography.
I feel disgusted and disheartened. I feel a lesson like that should be reported to the headteacher and the governors but I don’t think it will be dealt with appropriately. The school has form for not taking safeguarding seriously. I feel like I’m going mad and I’m wrong. I know I’m not, but it feels like it. I hope that the parents will say something. They must. Some of the boys [in our school] act a lot older than their age. They are always making inappropriate sexual comments or asking inappropriate sexual questions. I suspect some are also watching pornography online. A couple are obsessed with murder, rape [of girls], suicide and corporal punishment. The sort of PSHE lesson I witnessed will do nothing to challenge their unhealthy attitudes to sex, relationships and women.
We also have a student who is transgender. A girl who identifies as a boy. We were told to use male pronouns to use for her. There was no discussion. I don’t think this is in [the student’s] best interests but I felt unable to say anything. A teacher was reprimanded by a colleague for using ‘she’ for this girl. I [have been] forced to lie to a student. She used ‘she’ for the [transboy] and was told off by a teacher. I am being forced to actively lie. I feel that I cannot safeguard my students effectively. I am worried and scared for the kids-- especially our girls – what they’re being told and being forced to use mixed-sex toilets. At this point, I think that the only thing that will stop all this madness is some poor young girl being harmed. The local council is in meltdown. [We] have sent them two letters. They haven’t responded to the second one but from the response to the first one they don’t see any safeguarding issues. Ofsted and the DfE are on board the trans train. The DfE is funding Mermaids. Who are teachers supposed to turn to?
Teacher, 32, England

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Kantastic · 16/01/2020 23:59

I assume Safe Schools Alliance verified the teacher's identity? I really want this to be made up but I know how this stuff goes. Every time you think something is too ridiculous and awful to be real it turns out to be 100% true.

You can see that happening in the AIBU thread. It's so outrageous no one believes it.

StrangeLookingParasite · 17/01/2020 00:21

Lanurk not much of a one for reading, I see.

GColdtimer · 17/01/2020 00:26

Kantsstic yes we did verify the teachers identity and she is known to us.

Parents hold the power here. We have to start holding our schools to account. We need to ask to see materials, find out who is providing them, challenge anything dodgy. We are in favour of good, truthful, age appropriate RSE. But adults telling kids any more than "masturbation is normal" crosses a safeguarding line. As does discussing kink and fetish - particulars illegal forms.

Coyoacan · 17/01/2020 03:10

Damn, I really hoped that this was a goady made-up story.

Do they not have to have some pedagogical argument for why they teach certain things in schools?

GColdtimer · 17/01/2020 06:38

I think schools are being manipulated by many outside groups and are not doing enough checks on what is being taught.

CloudonLegs · 17/01/2020 06:42

I'm not a teacher so I have no idea but I would've thought if a child went into school and told their teacher their parent had told them about having sex with animals, sex toys and masturbating to pornography, the teacher would need to take that further... so why is it ok for a school to do it. It's very disturbing.

SarahTancredi · 17/01/2020 07:00

I think schools are being manipulated by many outside groups and are not doing enough checks on what is being taught

Feminists warned all along that diversity and lgbt titles/subjects would be used as a smoke screen to indoctrinate children with fetishes etc

We were told to stop being bigots and /or ut would never happen.

This is bugger all to do with diversity and lgbt. And any child bringing up porn/fetish questions should be reported to safeguarding bodies.

People are too scared to question it because it has been deliberately brought into lgbt stuff. And no one wants to be a bigot.

It's an insult to all the same sex couples with kids at the school and lgb teacher who manages quite happily to teach and have a husband/wife and not feel the need to make fetishes acceptable and common knowledge to the children in order to feel able to work there Hmm

Clymene · 17/01/2020 07:10

Someone posted on another thread the LGBT teaching packs that lots of teachers use for phse which they download from TES. One of the most popular is by an anonymous 'teacher'. There are no contact details or qualifications on their website.

The guy who wrote the guide which Leicester have now withdrawn calls himself a sex educator but has no qualifications. It's absolutely an open door which puts our children at risk

Clymene · 17/01/2020 07:13

Or sorry, Warwick, not Leicester!

Whoever says we should ask to see the material, I'm going to do just that.

GColdtimer · 17/01/2020 07:26

It's totally an open door. And schools are busy places, teachers are overworked and I think there is a lot of naivety too.

SayNotoArtificialLipids · 17/01/2020 07:28

This is shocking.

I emailed my DC's school asking for their PHSE lesson resources a few months ago. They didn't reply. I think I need to contact them again after reading this.

AltheaVestr1t · 17/01/2020 07:37

As I have posted on the other thread, SSA is a propaganda machine and is not a trusted source of information. No doubt this story will be picked up by the DM, and cause further anxiety for teachers struggling to navigate this minefield.

OhHolyJesus · 17/01/2020 07:41

Althea please do back up your claims.

An organisation without any political affiliations, that actually challenges local authorities and seeks to protect children through the education they receives and what they are exposed to in school cannot be a source of propaganda.

Why would they lie? To what end?

To make parents questions what their kids are being taught? Clearly they should be doing that. See previous examples of Warwickshire and the OP.

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GColdtimer · 17/01/2020 07:42

And as I asked on another thread could you please share evidence of your accusations.

People who try to undermine safeguarding by using the tactics you are using are a safeguarding risk.

Aesopfable · 17/01/2020 07:45

Althea given we already know this material is in schools and being presented to teachers from many different dubious sources - and by councils themselves - why do you not believe that teachers are using it to teach with?

GColdtimer · 17/01/2020 07:45

As ohholyJesus said, we are trying to encourage parents to talk to their schools about what is being taught and to challenge policies that out kids at risk. We have no funding and everyone involved has jobs and families. Our only concern is safeguarding. And if all you have is unsubstantiated claims and slurs - well let's just say it doesn't shine the most favourable light on you.

AltheaVestr1t · 17/01/2020 07:53

Age-appropriate Relationships Education contributes very positively to safeguarding. This mud-slinging against teachers trying to do their jobs is regressive and harms children. No teacher in their right mind would behave in the way described in the OP. I fully believe that it’s entirely fabricated.

OhHolyJesus · 17/01/2020 07:57

This is a teacher writing anonymously to point to safeguarding failures with direct impacts on children.

How is this mud-slinging?

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Siameasy · 17/01/2020 08:02

A lot of people on the other thread very keen to stop this being spoken about
If it’s not true you have nothing to worry about 🤔
I will teach my daughter the facts of life before anyone else gets the chance to indoctrinate her with shite like humans can change sex

Siameasy · 17/01/2020 08:03

Oh and it’s been deleted. As mentioned before, someone has an agenda to keep this quiet

Clymene · 17/01/2020 08:05

And your thread in AIBU as 'MNHQ has some concerns about this one. Thanks for all the reports.'

I wonder what they have concerns about? You @OhHolyJesus? SSA? The teacher's report? Confused

Clymene · 17/01/2020 08:05

Forgot the 'has been deleted' there! Blush

DickKerrLadies · 17/01/2020 08:07

We've got a lot of concerns too, that's why we discuss these things.

SarahTancredi · 17/01/2020 08:08

Bloody hell why do they keep deleting.

What's the deletion message?

Datun · 17/01/2020 08:11

No teacher in their right mind would behave in the way described in the OP. I fully believe that it’s entirely fabricated.

In that case you need to look at Warwickshire county council, and the threads on here about them, and all about the fisting, felching, and porn addicted 12-year-olds which were part of their recommended sex education.

All the 'proof' you need. You're either very naive, or determined to shut down discussion.

And what on earth would be the point of slinging mud at innocent teachers? Seriously, it sounds unhinged.

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