Parents rejecting gender neutral (unisex) toilets

[NotTerfNorCis]

Here's a ray of light. This is what most people really think.

Hundreds of people have signed a petition against gender-neutral toilets at a school in Leicester.

The toilets were introduced at New College in New Parks, Leicester after the school's Christmas holidays.

Around 500 people have signed the petition, which is against the introduction of the toilets.

www.itv.com/news/central/2020-01-13/hundreds-sign-petition-against-gender-neutral-toilets-in-leicester-school/

Stann86

So what is the ratio of mixed sex to single sex?

You're right. It doesn't add up. And they are lying. My best friend is a TA there who does lunch duties every day. My daughter and son attend there and I take my little one there for gymnastics after school. But obviously despite all our experiences we're clearly mistaken.

So either hundreds of people are lying, and the parents and children are protesting for no reason... or one pseudonymous person on a message board is lying. Goodness, what a tough call. 🤔

You can rest assured, Stan, I don't believe for a second you're mistaken.

Its probably around one third mixed - 16 cubicles and two third gender specific. Boys gathering outside can only happen in the actual main school corridor. There wouldn't be space outside the toilets. The mixed toilets are actually based on the site where the majority of classrooms are and never more than a 2 minute walk (at a very slow pace!). To decribe how the toilet "corridors" are might make it clearer. So off the main school corridor there is more like a row of 4 cubicles with trough sinks opposite them. Before one open plan row was male and one female (in 2 places in the school) and these are next to each other separated by a cleaners cupboard or disabled toilet. Now there mixed. The only place for students to congregate is on the main corridor theres not space on the toilet rows and there's staff on duty. 2 of my daughters close friends are identifying as the opposite gender and this is helping reduce their anxiety, as they are not disabled and don't want to be seen using them toilets. So it is about inclusivity and equality lettng them be "normal" school students without a label attached to them when they're already going through enough difficulties.

But if girls have to come out of a tall-walled cubicle to wash menstrual blood off their hands in communal sinks where there are boys, that is just as difficult for them. It does not meet their needs for privacy and dignity.

Sometimes girls need to wash blood off their clothes too, especially when fairly new to coping with periods. I should absolutely hate to do this even in front of my husband, never mind a pile of teenage boys.

Not meeting the girls' needs. How the buggery bollocks is that inclusive?

@allmywhat how many of those who've signed jumped on the band wagon based on the limited and incorrect information they've been presented with. If all were reassigned to gender neutral toilets I would understand the issue but that is not the case. It just takes scratching the surface for a lot of the arguments to get blown apart!

Stann86

So why do you think around 500 parents, and presumably their children, are objecting?

@ScapaFlo there's still separate boys and girls toilets as in "old style" if you will in their own room with cubicles and sinks also.

@datun how many of them are students and parents of kids at the school and how many are those like you who are appalled by the limited information presented to you and signing because of that? On the facebook post of this article from the leicester mercury it turns out that the mum who started the petition did it after her daughter got a late detention from using the separate toilets and that caused the spiral. There's definitely a hell of a lot more to this than what's been put in the media.

GOOD. I think its disgusting that girls are having to deal with periods etc in bathrooms where boys are- its asking for tampon machines to be vandalised and girls to feel intimidated and embarrassed when they are simply trying to look after their persona hygiene.

Unisex toilets can fck right off.

Ah yes, these are the ones that are being locked, reportedly? Helpful.

@scapaflow in the 5 years my daughters been there and 4 my son they've never been locked. Believe me if they had been my kids would have been complaining to me and I'd have been speaking to the school myself about it.

@datun how many of them are students and parents of kids at the school and how many are those like you who are appalled by the limited information presented to you and signing because of that?

Sorry, I'm not sure I get that. Unless there are no parents or pupils signing the petition?

What would be the point of any parents, or pupil, signing a petition to have something changed that they know isn't as they say it is???

The locked toilets are from a different poster. Different school.

Oops apologies

@datun The petition was linked in the article in the press. Of the people who have signed it, as it is a public petition how many have direct links to the school and how many have signed it based on the very one sided reporting of it which doesn't discuss there being single sex facilities available, similar to the people on here up in arms about it all without seeing the facilities or knowing the full story.

Si they arent fully enclosed cubicles with sinks inside?

Isnt that illegal?

If wash basins are shared then that's the problem.

No there is not sinks in the cubicle and no its not illegal. If it is such an issue for a student they can still use the "normal style" toilets that are literally just up the corridor from them (30m)

Which would now mean that girls have less toilets than before?

There are never enough womens toilets. Women and girls take longer to pee and do what they need to do in toilets than boys do. So whenever existing toilets are converted that takes already stretched facilities to an even lower level. No one ever seems.to get that.

So the mixed toilets are on the main school site... where are the sex specific toilets located?

Interesting that you use the words "if it's still such an issue" to describe the requirements of a girl on her period who needs a girls only space,

Vs

Inclusivity and equality for a tiny, tiny number (1 or 2 of the student population?) of biological boys who see themselves as girls?

We're not far from this school (DD doesn't go here) so I'll be watching this with interest. She's not started her period yet (she's 11) and I hate the thought of her having it happen at school and she's worrying about where the hell she can go that isn't locked where she can have some privacy to clean herself up. Coz it can literally be a flipping clean up job

And the needs of that first group in my post ... currently enshrined in law. The second are not. Yet

Until the building work was completed a couple of years back there was only the single sex toilets so there are more facilities than before. The school is one building, the single sex toilets are where over 70% of the classrooms are. The gender neutral which by declassifying gives more toilets for girls to use if they so choose are located down the corridor or in the science area which is never more than 2 min away from the single sex toilets. This is why im frustrated about how this has been reported.

I'm trying to work ot out. So if there were 16 toilets previously girls had 8 and boys had 8?

But now 1/3 is gender neutral so lets say five so five for girls five gender neutral and five for boys so boys now have 5of their own toilets plus access to another 5 and if girls dont wanna clear up piss off the seat they have 5 single sex ones?

So boys will use 10 and girls 5. Plus the 1 disabled left or whatever which only disabled children should use.

Is that right?

@tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz your assumption that is biological boys identifying as girls is interesting. I have information to the contrary. I'll keep repeating there are single sex toilets for females still available and lots of them.

But does it equate to less than the boys if u add the boys single sex to the ge ser neutral so they effectively have 2/3 of the toilets